Path: utzoo!utgpu!news-server.csri.toronto.edu!cs.utexas.edu!sdd.hp.com!zaphod.mps.ohio-state.edu!magnus.ircc.ohio-state.edu!tut.cis.ohio-state.edu!ucbvax!bloom-beacon!deccrl!news.crl.dec.com!shlump.nac.dec.com!regent.dec.com!lasko From: lasko@regent.dec.com (Tim Lasko, Digital Equipment Corp., Westford, MA) Newsgroups: comp.std.internat Subject: Re: Latin-1 and the French language Message-ID: <19767@shlump.nac.dec.com> Date: 4 Feb 91 15:24:50 GMT Sender: newsdaemon@shlump.nac.dec.com Organization: Digital Equipment Corporation Lines: 30 Why no "oe" in ISO 8859-1: It was the opinion of a majority of the members of the ISO working group that developed ISO 8859-1, supported by a majority of the voting members of the parent subcommittee, including the French national body, that "oe" and "OE" were not characters but ligatures only of interest in typography. Similarly, other ligatures are also not included. Capital Y with dieresis was removed from the list because of its rarity. This left two holes in the code table that were later filled with the multiplication and division sign--only a compromise from the dozen-or-so characters that had been considered--to avoid vendor-specific implementations of ISO 8859-1. Of course, expert opinion can change. The French member body changed its mind less than a year after publication of ISO 8859-1 and among the consequences is one new proposed code table tentatively titled ISO Latin Alphabet No 7, based on an AFNOR draft--possibly approved by now--standard covering the "Languages of the EEC written using the Latin script". And so it goes. [I have had the privilege of sitting on the U.S. and ISO committees that developed ISO 8859-1, although I joined late in its development. It is an interesting balance of compromise and technical effort. The discussion on comp.text has filtered into a number of other lists and while I did not see that discussion, I can only point out that ISO 8859-1 was not intended to cover *all* of the Western European languages. You just simply cannot do that in 191 character positions and include all of the lesser-used and minority languages. Welsh is an oft-cited oversight.] Tim Lasko, Digital Equipment Corp., Westford MA (lasko@regent.enet.dec.com) Disclaimer: My opinions are my own; the facts can speak for themselves.