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From: bard@jessica.stanford.edu (David Hopper)
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Subject: Re: Macintosh emulation
Keywords: Amiga, Macintosh, Emulation
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Date: 5 Feb 91 01:57:31 GMT
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In article <12538@ccncsu.ColoState.EDU> klingspo@holst.tmc.edu (steve klingsporn) writes:
>
>I must show my disgust in that copies of "pirate" Macintosh ROMs do
>exist (as do pirate copies of the AMAX-II software) in the Amiga
>community and all over AMIGA bulletin boards across the nation,

I have had AMax since it first came out.  I purchased the ROMs legally from an
Apple ROM distributer, and I have been active in many discussions concerning
this emulator for the past two years.  I had heard that some versions of AMax
were indeed pirated, but it is not nearly as epidemic as you make it out to be.

Most AMax users, and everyone who I've SEEN use AMax, use the 128K Apple ROMs,
purchased entirely legally.  There are major problems with not using the actual
ROMs, including not being able to read actual Mac-formatted disks.  The ROM
cartridge is required for this.

>and due to the method in which the AMAX software indeed "reads ROMs into
>RAM," users are provided with an often seemingly "fully-functional"
>Macintosh.

Seemingly?  Where do you get this?  My version of AMax-II runs every Mac
program I use at work, and I'm a Mac consultant.

>My question is this:  Legal?  I worked for Apple for 2 years and often
>do back in Chicago when I'm not at school.  Obviously the fact that
>Amiga (read "Toy") users are so "lucky" (as are ATARI-ST users) to
>have in reality a "free Macintosh" (though compatibility is not always
>a reality) bothers me...

Hm.  I hadn't realized that this was comp.sys.mac.advocacy... Hang on...
Nope.  It's not.  Then I must take offense at this posting.  My Amiga is as
far from being a "toy" as the NeXT is from being obsolete.  It's apparent
that you haven't seen a 3000UX.

>I assume that System 7.0 has "preventative measures" against such
>"emulators," but of course, I'm unsure.

AMax-II Plus is a card for the 2000-3000 series, and I hear that expectations
are rather high that it will be fine while running system 7.

>Any response to this news would be great; I'd appreciate a copy
>via email to klingspo@holst.cs.colostate.edu

Indeed, to tie this to the NeXT, I would be ecstatic if a ROM- or software-
based Mac emulator were to appear on the NeXT.  The Mac OS is bad enough that
we must endure it to be tied to an architecture as archaic as the Macintosh.

>Cheers,
>
>Steve Klingsporn
>CS Major & Visionary "wanna-be,"
>Colorado State University

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