Path: utzoo!utgpu!news-server.csri.toronto.edu!bonnie.concordia.ca!thunder.mcrcim.mcgill.edu!snorkelwacker.mit.edu!bu.edu!m2c!wpi.WPI.EDU!banzai.wpi.edu!shari From: yazdani@eng.umd.edu (Sayed M. Naved) Newsgroups: soc.religion.islam Subject: FORGIVENESS Message-ID: <1991Feb1.170609.6744@wpi.WPI.EDU> Date: 1 Feb 91 17:06:09 GMT Sender: news@wpi.WPI.EDU (News) Organization: College of Engineering, Maryversity of Uniland, College Park Lines: 84 Approved: shari@wpi.wpi.edu Originator: shari@banzai.wpi.edu Nntp-Posting-Host: banzai.wpi.edu I am posting this reply to an article on forgiveness, on behalf of a brother who doesn't have access to the net. All responses may be directed to me and it would be forwarded to him. In the name of Allah, Most Merciful and Most Benificient Here are a few ayhahs (verses) or signs from Allah, who created me and you, to whom belongs all glory and praise, and who is free from what we ascribe to Him. Please, keep in mind that it is impossible to translate the Quran and convey the exact the message , here is translation from Abdullah Yusuf Ali's work. Surah: Jathiya (The Kneeling Down) Ayah: 14 "Tell those who believe to forgive those who do not look forward to the Days of Allah: It is for him to recompense (for good or ill) each people according to what they have earned." Surah: Shura (The Consultation) Ayah: 5 "The heavens are almost rent asunder from above them (By His Glory): and the angels celebrate the praises of their Lord, and pray for forgiveness for (all) beings on earth: Behold! Verily Allah is He, the Oft-Forgiving, Most Merciful." Surah: Zumar (Crowds) Ayah: 53 "....Despair not of the mercy of Allah: for Allah forgives all sins: for He is Oft-Forgiving, Most Merciful." I hope that these are the signs you were looking for. I would encourage you not to be arrogant and to re-evaluate your views. The conclusion that "Unless someone can come up with a passage from the Koran that clearly tells us to love everyone, including the our enemies, then we will simply have to agree that Bible teaches a higher forgiveness than does the Koran " is not valid for many reasons; one being that "Love" and "Forgiveness" are not synonomous. I believe that the references quoted above display that Quran enjoins the highest possible level of forgiveness. But with reference to Love the Quran speaks differently. All throughout the Quran there are references that Allah loves the righteous, the truthful, the patient, the believers and so on. Allah loves not the ones who cover truth with falsehood, the oppressor, the people given to wrong doing, the transgressors and so on. Referencing the Bible, we can display how the famous Christain OBSESSION with love and forgiveness is taken from the dogma, which has been forced on the Bible and not based upon it. Luke 12:49 "I have come to bring on the earth and how I wish it were already kindled." Luke 22:36 "He said to them, 'But now if you have a purse take it and also a bag; and if you don't have a sword, sell your cloak and buy one." John 18:10 "Then Simon Peter, who had a sword, drew it and struck the high priest servant, cutting off his right ear..." Matt 10:34 "Do not suppose that I have come to bring peace to the earth. I did not come to bring peace but a sword." Joshua 6:21 "They devoted the city to the Lord and destroyed with the sword every living thing in it - men and women, young and old, cattle, sheep and donkeys." Referencing the Quran Surah: Baqarah (Cow) Ayah: 191 "...... tumult and oppression are worse than slaughter.." Surah: Baqarah (Cow) Ayah: 193 "And fight them on until there is no more tumult or oppression , and there prevail justice and Faith in Allah; But if they cease, let there be no hostility except to those who practice oppression." To conclude, in Islam we are encouraged by the Quran to be forgiving. But we are also to be Just; Oppression is not Just, and we have to fight it. Fighting was practised by the prophets in the Bible too. Peace be upon You. P.S. Please donot think of Islam as just another religion, it is the truth, and a mercy from the One God. It would be best for you to practice it - but at least do not insult it.