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From: hrs1@cbnewsi.att.com (herman.r.silbiger)
Newsgroups: comp.std.internat
Subject: Re: Dutch IJ
Summary: phonetic sorting
Message-ID: <1991Feb7.020517.29153@cbnewsi.att.com>
Date: 7 Feb 91 02:05:17 GMT
References: <7944@plains.NoDak.edu> <8954@star.cs.vu.nl>
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In article <8954@star.cs.vu.nl>, keie@cs.vu.nl (Keizer E G) writes:
> 
> Yes indeed, the initial/first names do not count at all.
> Their rules go a bit far. There are a few words in Dutch where the "ij"
> does nor represent a single vowel. One such word is "bijoux" which
> is pronounced "be-shoe". Even for these words the "ij" to "y" mapping
> is used.
> The following is an extract of the current Amsterdam telephone book:
> 
> bynen-bijl, a. van, kortvoort 100/k522
> bijoux goudcentje, reguliersbreestraat 30
> byrne, j p, plantage dokln 6/3
> bijrne, m, van speykstr 2/hs
> byrne, a c, waalstr 145/hs
> 
> 
> Ed Keizer
> Vakgroep Wiskunde en Informatica
> Vrije Universiteit
> Amsterdam

It is fortunate for Ed Keizer that the Dutch phone books, which do not 
distinguish between ij and y, since they sound the same, do not sort 
phonetically when it comes to the ei, as in Keizer.  In Dutch, ei and ij are
pronounced the same.

Herman Silbiger

> The Netherlands