Path: utzoo!utgpu!news-server.csri.toronto.edu!cs.utexas.edu!sun-barr!olivea!samsung!uunet!fernwood!cronos!neuromancer!djh From: djh@neuromancer.metaphor.com (Dallas J. Hodgson) Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy Subject: Re: Okay, you Amiga Types, its time to bash your amiga. :) Message-ID: <481@cronos.metaphor.com> Date: 7 Feb 91 19:55:43 GMT References: <91031.190832JKT100@psuvm.psu.edu> <91031.215406WTW101@psuvm.psu.edu> <7692@sugar.hackercorp.com> Sender: news@cronos.metaphor.com Organization: Metaphor Computer Systems, Mountain View, CA Lines: 33 In article <7692@sugar.hackercorp.com> peter@sugar.hackercorp.com (Peter da Silva) writes: > >I haven't seen anything for DOS or UNIX that comes close to Aztec C with SDB, ---------------- >and I'm sure the same is true of Lattice's symbolic debugger. It's not due to >any special virtue in SDB or CPR, just how the Amiga environment helps >debuggers. > Gee, I'd really -=like=- to believe that! In fact, there was a stream of messages on rec.games.programmer about how poor Amiga development tools are. I've used Aztec since it came out, Microsoft C up to 6.0, and Borland's Turbo C and C++. Nothing on the Amiga comes close. Borland's and Microsoft's integrated programming environments are a quantum leap in programmer efficiency. SDB is OK, but it's not really that far removed from Sun's dbxtool, now is it? On the code-generation level, neither Aztec nor SAS compilers provided the aggressive levels of optimization that Microsoft, Metaware and GreenHills do. Especially the latter - there's a REAL MEN's compiler. I spoke with Jim Goodnow (formerly of Manx) several years ago just before 5.0 came out. "Where's the Amiga answer to Turbo-C?" His reply was more along the lines of "(yawn) Whassamatter, don't you like our environment?" -- +----------------------------------------------------------------------------+ | Dallas J. Hodgson | "This here's the wattle, | | Metaphor Computer Systems | It's the emblem of our land. | | Mountain View, Ca. | You can put it in a bottle, | | USENET : djh@metaphor.com | You can hold it in your hand." | +============================================================================+ | "The views I express are my own, and not necessarily those of my employer" | +----------------------------------------------------------------------------+