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From: s37837k@saha.hut.fi (Jari Lehto)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.atari.st
Subject: Re: advice please - Atari-ST or Amiga
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Date: 10 Feb 91 02:34:15 GMT
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In article <1991Feb9.213904.782@mintaka.lcs.mit.edu> rjc@churchy.ai.mit.edu (Ray Cromwell) writes:

> Hahaha.. You sure do like pulling statistics and numbers out of thin air.
>More Commodore C64's were sold last year than Atari's sell in 2 years.
>(700,000 C64s sold in Europe) This comes from CBM's finnancial report
>from the WSJ. Atari's are used exclusively for games far more than
>Amiga's. Amiga's are bought primary for their video and multitasking
>capability. Games don't utilitize multitasking (most of them). An
>Amiga user may play a game once in a while, but thats not all he does.
>When you have awesome video capability, you use it.

You have pulled your brains out of thin air! C64 is more a console than 
a computer...
These statistics are waterproof, and they describe the situation in Germany
and Finland, not worldwide. I thought you can read. Leave the C64 out of this,
it is same as when I talk about logs, you talk about toothpicks.
Leave those hahaha things out of your article. You might be taken seriously
if they wouldn't be there...

>  Once again pure bullsh*t. The 3000 was on the cover of byte magazine!
>It was reviewed in the Wall Street Journal. The Amiga was rated
>'Best buy of 1990' by consumer reports magazine. Even PC magazine
>has tidbits about the Amiga in it.
>  Stop spreading misinformation, and stop making up rediculous
>statistics like 80% of Amiga's are used for games.

Hey dork, learn to read! I was not talking about U.S., but you refer all
the time to U.S. things...
HERE 80% of Amiga-users are pure gamers! This has been proved by official
investigations!!!

>  Atari under Unix? What the hell is this? You mean Minix? or do you
>mean an emulated Atari running on a Workstation? If the latter,
>this is a very poor example of multitasking. That method is called
>'virtual machines' (simular to what Windows does) which means Applications
>can't talk to each other or share data. If you mean Minix, Minix is
>a poor example of an OS. Try getting real unix like AT&T Unix SVR4 on the
>A3000.

I don't have A3000 or Minix either. I have used Atari under TRUE WORKING
FULLGROWN UNIX-OS! It was made in Germany. That ST had four terminal programs
running simultaneously, downoloading while previously downloaded files were
extracted simultaneously. All processes visible in X-Win type g-environment.

>  Once again, bullcrap. I can buy an A500 for $499 that outclasses the 
>normal ST. For $1200 you can get an Amiga2000 which will service all your
>expansion needs for a long time!
>  For someone who supposedly uses both machines, you know nothing about
>the Amiga. I'd leave you alone if you'd start spouting total
>misinformation and statistics about the Amiga.

You read too much between non-existing lines! I wouldn't dare to write here
anything that hasn't been checked to be solid. Those statistics are, but
THEY ARE NOT, ONCE AGAIN, TAKEN FROM USA'S SITUATION!!! I think I know things
about European markets little better than you. You live in a country, where
everyone doesn't even know where Finland is!!!

>>Get TT or MegaSTE. Or Mac. Or 386/486 +Win3 (or Unix & X-Win).
> ^^^^^^ Yea, if you could actually BUY one in the US.
>  What's the point? a 68030 system with no multitasking. Atari is the
>only company who hasn't released an 'official' multitasking kludge for
>their computer. Mac has system 7/multifinder, 386/486 has OS/2 and Windows
>and Unix. The Amiga has what it had since 1985.

I don't get it. Is multitasking some kind of religion to you? You don't
propably even buy a pen, unless it multitasks...
I have often found multitasking (specially in Unix) more confusing than useful.
Human beings can not concentrate to more than one task at a time.
Buy If I want to multitask, I'll do it. I have a true multitasking OS for
my ST. One of my Amiga-using friens said that it is better than Amiga's.
Again something made in Germany. Hope those never get there, because there
are so many people like you, who are too biassed to understand anything
strange and new.

>  Seriously. The Atari's niche is MIDI. You don't need fast CPUs for
>MIDI(atleast not above 16mhz). The Amiga's niche is multitasking
>and video which does demand faster CPUs. (real time video, compression,
>ray tracing).
>  I have nothing personal against STs. If I need MIDI I'd buy one. But
>personally, I am hooked on multitasking and can't do without it. Also
>since I work with Unix, the fact that AmigaDOS is simular to Unix
>makes it attractive.

Good enough MIDI-software needs fast CPUs. I am about to go for 33MHz.
You are the first Amiga-user that is proven to be a multitasking-maniac.
I know about 60 Amiga-users, 10 of them are my good friends...
They either have nothing agaist ST, some of them even use one frequently.
My opinion is that Amiga is a master of graphics and soud, but it is not
very handy in word-processing, DTP or things like that. OPINION!

>  What are you, a Marketroid? You are welcome to live in your
>own little dream world, but IBMs are still the hottest computers
>with a SOLID market.

Intel's unhealthy marketing policy will take IBM & clones with it sooner
or later. I have no dream world, I live in the real world but with your
attitude to other people you should close yourself to your own world...
I prefer rational discussion to flaming...

But let's drop this shit. Peace is far more comfortable. We have thrown
enough flames to each other's face now. Let's stop before it is too late.

BTW, PCs are the most unuserfriendly machines I have seen. I think Mac is
something special. But if you really want something cool, get NeXT or
Sun SPARCstation. Those are far more superior than any of these Atari- and
Commodore-toys discussed here...  ***OPINION AGAIN!!!***

			Jartsu

	*** Jari Lehto, jartsu@otax.hut.fi, s37837k@saha.hut.fi ***