Path: utzoo!utgpu!news-server.csri.toronto.edu!cs.utexas.edu!swrinde!zaphod.mps.ohio-state.edu!wuarchive!hsdndev!spdcc!tauxersvilli!alphalpha!nazgul From: nazgul@alphalpha.com (Kee Hinckley) Newsgroups: comp.windows.x Subject: Re: OPEN LOOK announced first (was: Re: Motif/Openlook, is there a trend? Message-ID: <1991Feb7.003307.6729@alphalpha.com> Date: 7 Feb 91 00:33:07 GMT References: <1991Jan23.164403@ecovsb.ncsu.edu> <2977@sodium.ATT.COM> <1991Jan30.211330.12990@sq.sq.com> <1991Feb3.025211.8461@alphalpha.com> <1991Feb5.055318.4150@alphalpha.com> Organization: asi Lines: 35 In article toml@marvin.Solbourne.COM (Tom LaStrange) writes: >Should we duplicate all the bugs also :-( God, I hope not. >Your point about fully supporting the style guide is a bit sticky though. >It appears that the style guide changes to match Motif releases rather than >staying somewhat constant. From 1.0 to 1.1, scrollbars have additional >functionality, file dialog boxes look different, etc. Open Look didn't stand still either. (BTW, what changed in scrollbars?) I thought it was clear that FileSB was going to change - the old one was horrible, and it wasn't compliant with PM/MSW. If you want to watch Motif's direction, I'd look there and at IBM's SAA stuff. And of course you become an OSF member so you can influence it. But that's a problem for any company that's doing a clone toolkit - including those in the OL camp. The theory behind OSF is that the process of change is open to members, so that you can find out what's going on. If the practice isn't living up to the theory, then you have a valid complaint. But I've got to believe that OSF members have more influence/feedback on Motif changes than Sun customers. >Furthermore, the style guide has been bent to match the bugs in the >implementation. Rather than having a style guide which says "this is how I know. OSF is a little hung up on binary compatiblity. Due in no small part to the fact that most of their members are hardware vendors rather than toolkit users. They just want compatible libraries on their machines - they don't actually try and use the things to do work. -- Alfalfa Software, Inc. | Poste: The EMail for Unix nazgul@alfalfa.com | Send Anything... Anywhere 617/646-7703 (voice/fax) | info@alfalfa.com I'm not sure which upsets me more; that people are so unwilling to accept responsibility for their own actions, or that they are so eager to regulate everyone else's.