Path: utzoo!utgpu!news-server.csri.toronto.edu!bonnie.concordia.ca!clyde.concordia.ca!nstn.ns.ca!news.cs.indiana.edu!julius.cs.uiuc.edu!zaphod.mps.ohio-state.edu!swrinde!cs.utexas.edu!sun-barr!olivea!oliveb!bunker!hcap!hnews!300!14!James.Womack From: James.Womack@f14.n300.z1.fidonet.org (James Womack) Newsgroups: misc.handicap Subject: Re: Lipreading Message-ID: <17767@bunker.UUCP> Date: 9 Feb 91 05:20:16 GMT Sender: news@bunker.UUCP Reply-To: James.Womack@f14.n300.z1.fidonet.org Distribution: misc Organization: FidoNet node 1:300/14 - The Emerald Isle, Tucson AZ Lines: 64 Approved: wtm@bunker.UUCP Index Number: 13646 [This is from the Silent Talk Conference] Anne, I didn't say lipreading or speechreading can't work. It is a waste of time for most truly deaf people. English by its nature is rarely mastered by a profoundly deaf person. Such a person from childhood should have a mastered language so the second language can be learned. You get children in school who don't even know the word "cup" or much of anything else. Here in Arizona, we keep getting high school kids from mainstreaming programs. Their parents grew frightened when they saw their children approaching graduation and lacked very fundamental skills or knowledge. They send them to ASDB. Needless to say, there isn't a great deal we can do for them by that time. However,parents often do say they see a big change inthose kids level of confidence, willingness-watch carefully now-willingness to go to school and see them beginnng to pick up on some of the things they just didn;t get academically in the public school system. Masny of those parents begin going to the local community college to take sign language so they can be a part of their child's life in the communicative sense that they wer enot before. I see this over and over. In enough numbers for me to say that this emphasis on speech while stubbornly disregarding the child's need for a visually based non-phonetic language is costingthe child dearly. Itis always interesting for me to meet these kids and realize yet again that the interaction I have with our regular deaf kids can't happen with the mainstreamed one (except in special cases). You can't tell a joke, you can't give basic instructions (I speak rather well as I became deaf at age 13) and their frustration level is so low that they give up almost readily when faced wih academic challenges. Anne, there are lots of exceptions, I am sure. However, hearing people and hearing minded people who insist on emphasizing speech , esecially from the early age of the deaf child are doing that child a disservice. Recentl research by people like Dr. Supalla and others is showing that after the first 4-5 years, the mind seems to lose some of its unique and accelerated ability to absorb language. In short, by failing to provide the young child with a language that fits the need (visually based and unburdened by intangibles such as phonetics) denies the child a fully mastered and masterable language on which to build a knowledge base to bring to school and build on. Strictly oral methods are robing deaf children. I would not suggest dumping oral eductaion wholeheartedly. Thee are deafened people whodo benefit from such instruction. Therefore they should have access to it. Rather recently, i have become acquainted with a strikingly beautiful young lady at the University of Arizona. She is a lot like you. She is prfoundly deaf, orally educated, very smart, very articulate and a lot of other things. She is also in awe of what she is learning about herself as a deaf person and of ASL. She seems to be almost starved for it. She talks about what she has missed and want to make up for and all that. Tome, it is just one more of many cases like that. I have met so many people like this over the years that I feel it is just demonstrated proof that deaf kids are being robbed of knowledge and education. By the way, she is a darn good writer. She is also so good at lipreading that I and hearing people thought she was hearing. i got tipped off when I watched her , really watched her for the first time. Her slightly exaggerated mouth movements tipped me off. -- Uucp: ..!{decvax,oliveb}!bunker!hcap!hnews!300!14!James.Womack Internet: James.Womack@f14.n300.z1.fidonet.org