Path: utzoo!utgpu!news-server.csri.toronto.edu!cs.utexas.edu!swrinde!zaphod.mps.ohio-state.edu!usc!jarthur!nntp-server.caltech.edu!bes From: jlodman@cs.ucsd.edu (Michael Lodman) Newsgroups: soc.religion.islam Subject: Re: "Not Without My Daughter" Message-ID: <1991Feb7.042502.10442@nntp-server.caltech.edu> Date: 7 Feb 91 04:25:02 GMT Sender: bes@nntp-server.caltech.edu (Behnam Sadeghi) Organization: California Institute of Technology, Pasadena Lines: 60 Approved: bes@tybalt.caltech.edu In article <1991Feb5.150701.15936@wpi.WPI.EDU> nnk@cs.wayne.edu (Nasir Naseem Khawaja) writes: >In article <1991Jan29.085858.1082@nntp-server.caltech.edu> looi@sutro.sfsu.edu (Wan W. Looi) writes: WWL> I have a very negative feeling towards Islam myself, and WWL> after seeing this movie and what Saddam Hussein has done to the world, WWL> my negative feeling has escalated. WWL> Does anyone care to comment? NNK> His last sentence seems so much similar to a fable I heard in which a NNK> guy wants to commit suicide but actually is afraid of it so he says: NNK> NNK> "I'm going to kill myself..... Anyone care to stop me???" :-D NNK> NNK>I would have considered changing Mr. Looi's views on Islam, but his resolute NNK> tone gave his rigidity on the subject quite away. NNK> NNK> I still believe that the poster was quite explicit in conveying NNK> his stubborness on the subject, viz. Islam = opression, and hence NNK> feel no obligation to apologize to him. I believe that Mr. Looi was merely expressing what so many others in the West have come to _feel_ about Islam in recent years, without any specific knowledge about the religion itself. This is a cumulative response to Islam, not the response to any particular incident, and it also represents my feelings. This is not to say that evidence presented to the positive side of Islam is not taken into consideration, to help tip the scales in the other direction. Do you think that your answer to Mr. Looi went on the positive or negative side of his feelings towards Islam? Did your answer invoke in Mr. Looi the image in which you want Islam to be seen? I certainly know what image I got from your answer. For all the claims of negative propaganda against Islam in the West, the truth is that people claiming to be Moslems and representing the Islamic faith are the worst enemies of Islam and its image. The _fact_ that people promoting terror and war claim to be doing so in the name of Islam certainly causes a great deal of harm to the faith, especially if the claims of representation are false. I have never seen an openly anti-Islamic article or broadcast, but I have seen people such as Saddam Hussein claiming that he is fighting a Jihad for Islam against the infidels. This again reflects badly on Islam. My suggestion to the Islamic world would be to clean your own house before taking on the rest of the world. If these people (terrorists etc.) do not represent Islam, make efforts to show the rest of the world this. The efforts I've seen to date are trully pitiful, making me wonder if these people are not in fact speaking for most Moslems, and Islam. If this is the case, the negative feelings of people such as Mr. Looi are understandable. If not, you all have a lot of work to do..... -- Michael Lodman Department of Computer Science Engineering University of California, San Diego jlodman@cs.ucsd.edu (619) 672-1673