Path: utzoo!utgpu!watserv1!maytag!looking!uunet!wuarchive!zaphod.mps.ohio-state.edu!ncar!neit.cgd.ucar.edu!gary From: gary@neit.cgd.ucar.edu (Gary Strand) Newsgroups: trial.talk.politics.peace Subject: Re: Peace? Message-ID: <10211@ncar.ucar.edu> Date: 7 Feb 91 09:00:15 GMT References: <58120@eerie.acsu.Buffalo.EDU> <2247@njitgw.njit.edu> Sender: news@ncar.ucar.edu Organization: Climate and Global Dynamics Division/NCAR, Boulder, CO Lines: 32 > Matthew Harelick > This conflict has nothing to do with peace. Yep. It's about justice and freedom. > This conflict exists for three reasons: > 1. Keep Western control over the world oil supply. > 2. To Clean up a NATO foreign policy mess > 3. To secure a U.S. Presence in the region. And these are the *only* three reasons, all others being mere rationaliza- tions, eh? > Fight for Peace? All that is is a version of the Orwellian doublespeak > statement : War is Peace, or even better, Ignorance is Bliss What good is peace without justice or freedom? The Soviet Union used to be peaceful, internally, (for the most part) but I guess that all those people who want freedom and justice over peace just have their heads up their collective arses, eh? Believe it or not, there are many people who prefer something else besides peace. As an old professor (an escapee from the Nazis, then the Communists in Poland and a decorated tank commander) used to say, "There is peace in a cemetary, there was peace in the camps." Or is there more to your "peace" than simply the absence of war? If so, then you're not telling us everything, and perhaps some of what your idea of "peace" entails might even preclude peace itself, at least for some period of time. -- Gary Strand There is only one success -- to be able Internet: strandwg@ncar.ucar.edu to spend your life in your own way. Voicenet: (303) 497-1336 - Christopher Morley