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From: henrybh@clutx.clarkson.edu (Benjamin H. Henry,,2682053,)
Newsgroups: trial.talk.politics.peace
Subject: Re: Saddam must die!!
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Date: 7 Feb 91 22:03:12 GMT
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From article <NELSON.91Feb5231604@sun.clarkson.edu>, by nelson@sun.soe.clarkson.edu (Russ Nelson):
> In article <10233@emanon.cs.jhu.edu> arromdee@cs.jhu.edu (Kenneth Arromdee) writes:
> 
>    In article <NELSON.91Jan31225549@sun.clarkson.edu> nelson@clutx.clarkson.edu (aka NELSON@CLUTX.BITNET) writes:
>    >Essentially, yes.  A country is run because its citizens choose to obey
>    >their leader.  Sanctions cannot change this.  If you kill a man who refuses
>    >to dig a ditch, you have a dead man, and an undug ditch.  Sanctions cannot
>    >bring about obediance, only the *fear* of sanctions.
> 
>    If you kill a man because you wish him to dig a ditch, you indeed don't get
>    what you want (a dug ditch).
> 
>    But if you kill a man because you want him dead, you _do_ get what
>    you want (a dead man), and if you kill a man because you want his
>    gold watch, you _do_ get what you want (his gold watch).  If the
>    man is guarding a bank and you kill him because you wish him to
>    stop guarding the bank, you _do_ get what you want (for that person
>    to stop guarding the bank).
> 
> You're using a bad analogy, because nonviolent action doesn't scale
> down to single individuals.  For that matter, neither does violent

	1) Everything scales down to individuals. It only takes one
	   man to kill another, it only takes one man to say "no!".

> action -- fight a war with two one-man armies.  But what the heck, I
> know what you're getting at, so let's take an example that proves that
> you're wrong.
> 
> Hitler's a good one, because I think you'll agree that he had no
> compunctions whatsoever about killing Untermenschen (subhumans).

	2) Comparing the situation in the Middle East to the Holocaust
	   is just another shining example of the propaganda spread by
	   the government to convince the American people that this "war" 
	   is justified because "we [the gov't] are ridding the world" 
	   of a madman. President Bush also refers to Saddam as "evil",
	   (just as Regan refered to The Soviet Union as "the evil empire")
	   making it America's just Christian duty to wage a "holy war"
	   against Iraq. (Bush quoted from the Bible when he addressed
	   religious leaders, saying that it is a justifiable war.)
	   Your example proved nothing but your willingness to give 
	   up your rights as an individual to stop human beings from
	   being killed rather than control Saddam's actions in another,
	   non-violent way that wouldn't put the lives of many Americans
	   at risk, which, by the way, was the method that most of the 
	   "Allied" (another WWII Hitler illusion) countries preferred!


Benjamin H. Henry    henrybh@clutx.clarkson.edu  *
Clarkson University  henrybh@clutx.bitnet        * 
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