Path: utzoo!utgpu!news-server.csri.toronto.edu!bonnie.concordia.ca!uunet!spool.mu.edu!samsung!psuvax1!swatsun!swatsun!gessel From: gessel@ilium.cs.swarthmore.edu (Daniel Mark Gessel) Newsgroups: trial.talk.politics.peace Subject: Re: The Nuclear Option Message-ID: Date: 8 Feb 91 16:57:04 GMT References: <1991Feb7.025838.13793@panix.uucp> <1991Feb8.032851.9642@swbatl.sbc.com> <58617@eerie.acsu.Buffalo.EDU> Sender: news@cs.swarthmore.edu Organization: Swarthmore College, Swarthmore Pa. Lines: 86 In-Reply-To: v064lnev@ubvmsd.cc.buffalo.edu's message of 8 Feb 91 12:51:51 GMT Nntp-Posting-Host: ilium (Zerxes Bhagalia) writes: >(Caryn S. Prater) writes... >[stuff deleted because of its acenine, bitchy, and "on the rag" type remarks] >>Caryn >>-- >>Nolite te bastardes carborunodorum >> Author unknown :-) >Caryn...SHUT UP! I don't know about the others on this newsgroup, but >I for one have had it with your acenine, bitchy, "on the rag" type >constantly! >If you still wish to continue posting in this manner, please add the >suffix "- Caryn" to your subject so that other people who share my position can >avoid having to put up with you any more. Thankyou, and hopefully good ridance! >~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ >(Zerxes Bhagalia v064lnev (INTERNET: @UBVMS.cc.buffalo.edu / BIT: @UBVMS.bitnet) >( -==- Bhagalia (INTERNET: @SYBIL.cc.buffalo.edu / BIT: NA ) >~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ To follow up on your statements, I don't know about others on this newsgroup, but if you wish to continue to post this asinine, sexist crap, please put "-sexist" in your subject line so that people who don't want to don't have to put up with you anymore. Seriously, I have nothing against you disliking her statement, but there is no need to go so low as to resort to sexism. To put my $ 2/100 in about the actual subject, a wholesale nuking would probably bring the outrage of the world against the U.S. But it would bring the war to a quick end, and I think _that_ would make Bush popular. The toll of the worlds anger against the U.S. would take time, and Americans might feel it by the time Bush was up for reelection. I don't think, however, that the nuking itself would bring his popularity down. Americans, I think, would see it as a good "last resort" before too many americans were killed. Small scale nukes (if there is such a thing, I've heard nuclear handgrenades exist, never heard if they're approved for use in combat tho'), would probably go unnoticed, considering the degree of bombing that is already going on. Athough it seems taht the leaders of many other contries already seems to be getting annoyed (bored?) with the degree of bombing. If Iraq uses chemical weapons agains Israel, Israel may nuke back. I don't know how the world would react to this. I think it would be split, possibly along Arab/non-Arab lines. Personally, I think you're getting close to justifiable. I don't know that this war is unjustifiable, but I think that there were some mixed signals coming from the U.S. to Iraq. We've used military force in situations where it wasn't called for (I remember best, and most recently Panama). And in "the new world order" big countries aren't allowed to pick on little countries. I don't mean to imply that these situations are paralell, but I just think we ought to get our own house in order. There's alot to fix around here, and it's not getting done. I do think that some of recent military actions the U.S. has taken have been motivated by ego. But then again I think most politicians are motivated by ego, so I'm biased. (My perception of the U.S. political system is that it's ideals are second to none, and that it's implementation is third-rate. Certain facets of life (and socio-economic groups) get short changed IMHO.) Now that I've strayed from the point. I would like the war to end quickly with minimal loss of life. I would like the world to realize "a new world order" which actually brings about world peace (I doubt my vision of "a new world order" is the same as Bush's). Is there any hope that the war will end before many people are killed? I don't think so. I think it's going to be quite a mess. I hope I'm wrong. Dan Sorry if this got posted more than once, the followup group was not what I expected. -- Daniel Mark Gessel Independent NeXT Developer Internet: gessel@cs.swarthmore.edu I do not speak (nor type) representing Swarthmore College.