Path: utzoo!utgpu!news-server.csri.toronto.edu!cs.utexas.edu!samsung!uunet!mcsun!corton!ilog!barbes!davis From: davis@barbes.ilog.fr (Harley Davis) Newsgroups: comp.lang.lisp Subject: Re: So who's really using LISP? Message-ID: Date: 13 Feb 91 13:57:28 GMT References: <1227@culhua.prg.ox.ac.uk> Sender: davis@ilog.fr Distribution: comp Organization: ILOG S.A., Gentilly, France Lines: 31 In-reply-to: weigele@bosun2.informatik.uni-hamburg.de's message of 11 Feb 91 08:31:16 GMT In article weigele@bosun2.informatik.uni-hamburg.de (Martin Weigele) writes: Nowadays, I think that Common Lisp has become a dinosaur because of the incredibly many features built in - also known as "creeping featurism" - as a result of the desire to be as compatible as possible. Languages like scheme seem much "cleaner" and "nicer". But even scheme lacks the kind of type support available in the modula/pascal/oberon language family, or in languages like ML. I'd like to point out EuLisp, under development here in Europe. It is a multi-layered, Scheme-like language with an extensible class system, generic functions, and modules. At its lowest level, level-0, it is small like Scheme. At higher levels, more interesting and complex CommonLisp-like functionality is added, including a metaobject protocol for the object system, and many libraries. You can get more information about EuLisp, including the latest version of the specification (subject to change at any time) and a PD implementation, by sending mail to eudist@maths.bath.ac.uk. EuLisp is not yet finished, but I think it points the way toward a plausible future for Lisp, supporting both the complex, high-level applications with rapid development cycles we are used to in Lisp, and commercially viable delivery systems. -- Harley -- ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ nom: Harley Davis ILOG S.A. net: davis@ilog.fr 2 Avenue Gallie'ni, BP 85 tel: (33 1) 46 63 66 66 94253 Gentilly Cedex, France