Path: utzoo!utgpu!news-server.csri.toronto.edu!cs.utexas.edu!uwm.edu!linac!att!ucbvax!MIT.EDU!jis From: jis@MIT.EDU (Jeffrey I. Schiller) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.tcp-ip Subject: Re: Are There Standards For Secure Mail Transfer Via SMTP? Message-ID: <9102102022.AA26112@osiris.MIT.EDU> Date: 10 Feb 91 20:22:42 GMT References: <16381:Feb1015:07:5791@kramden.acf.nyu.edu> Sender: daemon@ucbvax.BERKELEY.EDU Organization: The Internet Lines: 33 Date: 10 Feb 91 15:07:57 GMT From: kramden.acf.nyu.edu!brnstnd@nyu.edu (Dan Bernstein) Organization: IR References: <1991Feb8.110317.3949@unipalm.uucp>, <1991Feb8.180500.11290@Solbourne.COM>, <1991Feb8.185044.22132@mp.cs.niu.edu> Sender: tcp-ip-relay@nic.ddn.mil ... Sure, RFC 931 isn't a panacea. But it does turn mail into a secure protocol, provided that TCP is made secure. Any university sysadmin knows that 99% of all sendmail forgers don't have any resources other than a telnet connection. Now we can close that hole for good. I wouldn't go so far as to say it makes mail a "secure" protocol. Though it does help. However for it to be really useful, all the mail relays between sender and receiver need to implement it. This is not only unlikely, but is also beyond the control of the individual sender and receiver. Furthermore even if all the hosts on the Internet adopted it tomorrow, you still need to trust the administrations of all the way points your mail is relayed through. This doesn't lend itself well to anything but the weakest definition of the term "authentication." The Privacy Enhanced Mail RFCs (sorry to sound like a salesman myself here!) define an end-to-end mechanism exactly so that sender and recipient need have no trust in the intermediate mail relays (and no requirements on the software that they run). This permits me for example to route an encrypted, signed mail message to you via Iraq and the Soviet Union and when you receive it (if you receive it, but that is a different problem :-) ) know that only you can decrypt its contents and also know that only I could have originated the message. -Jeff