Path: utzoo!utgpu!news-server.csri.toronto.edu!cs.utexas.edu!sun-barr!apple!agate!shelby!portia.stanford.edu!jessica.stanford.edu!bard From: bard@jessica.stanford.edu (David Hopper) Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy Subject: Re: How to beat a NeXT Keywords: nexts, suck, unexpandible, slow Message-ID: <1991Feb13.071047.16549@portia.Stanford.EDU> Date: 13 Feb 91 07:10:47 GMT References: <1991Feb11.023952.19951@NCoast.ORG> <1991Feb12.043247.6171@mintaka.lcs.mit.edu> <1991Feb12.210216.19479@sugar.hackercorp.com> <1991Feb13.044829.11371@mintaka.lcs.mit.edu> Sender: news@portia.Stanford.EDU (Mr News) Organization: Academic Information Resources Lines: 41 In article <1991Feb13.044829.11371@mintaka.lcs.mit.edu> rjc@geech.ai.mit.edu (Ray Cromwell) writes: >In article <1991Feb12.210216.19479@sugar.hackercorp.com> peter@sugar.hackercorp.com (Peter da Silva) writes: >>(100 MB hard drive, plus 68040, in an Amiga 500 expansion card? For $1500? >> In your dreams maybe...) > How much do you think the 68040 will cost in bulk? $1000 a chip? >If 68040s cost 1k a chip, this means NeXT makes almost no profit on >the slab. ($1000 68040, $800 for 8mb of ram, $600 Quantum, $300 Ethernet?, >+ the cost of the motherboard, monitor, VLSI chips) Remember that NeXT helped Moto out quite a bit. I wouldn't be surprised if most of those early chips were popcorn. > I have no idea what NeXT price NeXT is buying 040's for, but if you >look the the GVP A3001 ($2800), remove the cost of the 030/882, slap in >a 040, and a $300 ethernet, plus a $400 A500 motherboard, you could >compete with the NeXT. Remember, I'm assuming that Commodore could >purchase the 040's for the same price/priveleges NeXT gets, and >that the A500 slab woul be highly integrated to all this hardware >like the A3000 is. Well, this is all pretty academic. We'll never see an '040 A500, and C= will likely have to pay a good deal more than NeXT has for their '040s. > The NeXT slab (smallest version) will never succeed as a 'personal' >workstation. (too me, it looks like an overpriced terminal that needs >a lab environment to get any real work done.) I've spoken to some NeXT employees that share this sentiment. The 100Meg Slab is pretty useless as a stand-alone UNIX box. The optimal environment for this would be on a network. The one I use is linked to two '030 Cubes, and it is S L O W. Optimal? I'd hate to see it run on its own ;-) >>-- >>Peter da Silva. `-_-' >>. Dave Hopper | /// The Amiga: | The great strength of the total- | __ /// | itarian state is that it forces bard@jessica. | \\\/// The Cybernetic | those who fear it to imitate it. Stanford.EDU | \XX/ Revolution is NOW! | --Adolph Hitler