Xref: utzoo comp.sys.atari.st:34900 comp.sys.amiga.misc:786 Path: utzoo!mnetor!tmsoft!torsqnt!lethe!yunexus!ists!helios.physics.utoronto.ca!news-server.csri.toronto.edu!cs.utexas.edu!ut-emx!ccwf.cc.utexas.edu From: greg@ccwf.cc.utexas.edu (Greg Harp) Newsgroups: comp.sys.atari.st,comp.sys.amiga.misc Subject: Re: advice please - Atari-ST or Amiga Message-ID: <43885@ut-emx.uucp> Date: 8 Feb 91 06:33:26 GMT References: <1084@tetrauk.UUCP> <858@cbmger.UUCP> <1991Feb7.222920.13058@santra.uucp> Sender: news@ut-emx.uucp Reply-To: greg@ccwf.cc.utexas.edu (Greg Harp) Followup-To: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy Organization: The University of Texas at Austin Lines: 130 [Sorry for the followup, net.public, but this guy bugs me.] In article <1991Feb7.222920.13058@santra.uucp> s37837k@saha.hut.fi (Jari Lehto) writes: >AMIGA-USERS, GET THE HELL OUT OF THIS NEWSGROUP!!!! Er, did you bother to check the Newsgroups line? BTW, here in c.s.amiga.* we have a newsgroup for this kind of stuff, so please honor the Followup-To line. >or I will definitely come and mess up yours with hundreds of articles >filled with the same kind of shit you've written here... ...which is a great way to get your USENET access revoked. >Buy an Atari. There are few big advantage above others: The Atari _does_ have some advantages, but I Jari fails to mention any of them. > ST/TT-users are definitely not like those fanatic maniacs that > would defend a jar filled with shit, if there is the word Amiga > printed on it... Well, so far this guy's making good on his threat -- and then some... > ST/TT-users don't attack people who dare to use a computer that > is something else than ST/TT. They are a one big happy family > that gives advice to everyone without asking what computer they > use, or if they are using any... That may be true of most ST/TT owners, but I bet the net.public can name _one_ ST/TT owner who attacks owners of other computers. [ :-) ] I think you'll find the general c.s.amiga.* readers to be pretty decent, helpful people, too. > ST/TT users don't deal people to groups according to their skills > in computing. In Amigaworld, those mystical expert-user groups with > mostly under-aged users in charge hide behind funny names and > keep their organizations up by buying other people's souls using > pirate-software as a currency. [This is the part that made me laugh, BTW.] I don't see where this guy comes off saying something like this. There are no "mystical expert-user groups" in existance. The users groups I've seen and been a member of were all _very_ good about helping out new users. The group at my university has a small number of so-called "expert users" who are happy to help out the novice users. No exchange of pirated software occurs at these meetings. Such things are not only against the law, but they are against the rules at the university and they are against the bylaws of the club. Frankly, (and to be truthful this is only hearsay) I have been told that the about of piracy going on in the Atari market is much higher per capita. It's certianly nothing to brag about. >So, I think there is nothing wrong in the machine itself, it is just ment for >a bit different kind of use that ST. But there are users that make Amiga >look dirty. (there are such ST users also, but we wont let them loose...) > >I don't care which machine you buy, Amiga is an expensive toy and Atari, >especially with latest releases, is rather a cheap tool. Correct. The Amiga and the Atari are designed to do some things better than other machines. The BANG/BUCK ratio is about equal, IMHO. If all I was interested in was MIDI, I would have bought an Atari. Since I'm interested in music (usu. _not_ MIDI), video, real-time graphics applications, etc., I bought an Amiga. I paid more, and I feel that I made the right choice. BUT THAT WAS MY CHOICE! DON'T THINK THAT I AM TRYING TO DICTATE TO YOU WHAT MACHINE IS BEST! >Do you know any serious, famous musician using Amiga? I don't. I'd have to check back in a few recent c.s.amiga.* posts, but I believe I heard something about Robert Plant and someone else using the Amiga for MIDI. I also heard something about a musician who dropped his Mac system and bought into the Amiga in order to produce his music video. [Someone who remembers this better than I please help me out here.] >Do you know any serious, famous musician using Atari? I do, in fact too many > to count... I know of a few musicians using Ataris. I know of a whole helluva lot of them using the Mac. Why, you say, would someone use a Mac for MIDI? Well, there _is_ a lot of _very_ decent MIDI software available for it. I don't think it's an exaggeration to say that the Mac could do MIDI as well or better than the ST or Amiga, simply because the software developer makes more money from the Mac market and decides to work harder on updates, etc. The advantage to using an Amiga or ST is the low price. BTW, replace the words "famous musician" in your questions with the following and ask them again. These may make you realize that the Amiga and the Atari are not competitors simply because they do _different_ things. 1) cable company 2) video effects engineer 3) home video fanatic 4) movie effects crew 5) world-wide news network 6) virtual reality designer For the Amiga, I can provide some answers... 1) Too many to name. For one, Austin Cablevision here in Austin, TX. 2) Again, too many to name. 3) Ditto for #3. 4) The infamous Robocop 2 scenes that apparently got cut, for one. 5) CNN. [Yes, the familiar "Cleared by U.S./British/Israeli/Iraqi Military," along with the rest of the genlocked graphics, are done by an Amiga.] 6) Quite a few. Post anything about VR and see what percentage of people interested are using Amigas. I'll be on the list... Anyway, my point is that both machines have their good points. Please don't post saying that the ST/TT is "so much better" and proceed to list a lot of BS points that are supposedly bad about the Amiga. I've been carrying on a nice, rather educational conversation with an Atari owner for quite some time. I have learned quite a bit about the Atari, and I know its good points. I also hope I've supplied some useful/educational info on the Amiga to this person. All in all, I don't think either one of us feels "superior" or "envious" about the other's machine. Outrageous flaming is not a way to deal with the differences between machines. Please stop using this tactic. Greg -- -------Greg-Harp-------greg@ccwf.cc.utexas.edu-------s609@cs.utexas.edu------- "Confutatis maledictus "When the accursed have been counfounded Flammis acribus addictis, == And given over to the bitter flames, Voca me cum benedictis." -- Mozart Call me with the blessed."