Path: utzoo!mnetor!tmsoft!torsqnt!news-server.csri.toronto.edu!cs.utexas.edu!swrinde!zaphod.mps.ohio-state.edu!pacific.mps.ohio-state.edu!linac!att!ucbvax!SUMEX-AIM.STANFORD.EDU!info-mac-request From: info-mac-request@SUMEX-AIM.STANFORD.EDU (The Moderators) Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.digest Subject: Info-Mac Digest V9 #39 Message-ID: <9102130035.AA14453@sumex-aim.stanford.edu> Date: 13 Feb 91 00:28:00 GMT Sender: daemon@ucbvax.BERKELEY.EDU Reply-To: Info-Mac@sumex-aim.stanford.edu Organization: The Internet Lines: 718 Approved: info-mac@sumex-aim.stanford.edu Info-Mac Digest Tue, 12 Feb 91 Volume 9 : Issue 39 Today's Topics: [*] AddrePhone [*] FUJI_GADGETS.HQX (INIT) Accessing the Control Panel INIT application opening order Creating color icons Disk I/O speed on a IIsi Dollars and Sense HC 2.0 address error on 512KE w/ 2MB IIsi's programmers switch Info-Mac Digest V9 #34 Mac Buyer's Guide for Apple Support Coordinators Mac IIsi RAM MORE ON FALCON NCSA TelNet 2.3 no more icons Question for GatorBox users README Solution? Saving two cents at a time SimCity Cities Some bugs in HyperCard 2.0 Something faster than a Mac IIfx System 7, IAC, and DTP Terminating harddisks TinCan The Info-Mac newsgroup is moderated by Bill Lipa, Lance Nakata, and Jon Pugh. The Info-Mac archives are available (by using FTP, account anonymous, any password) in the info-mac directory on sumex-aim.stanford.edu [36.44.0.6]. Help files and indices are in /info-mac/help. Please send articles and binaries to info-mac@sumex-aim.stanford.edu. Send administrative mail to info-mac-request@sumex-aim.stanford.edu. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Sat, 9 Feb 91 00:57:02 -0800 From: Rob Olsen Subject: [*] AddrePhone This is a stack that can help you keep track of addresses and phone numbers. Unlike the one shiped with apple, this stack have an index page that helps you to scroll through and jump to any card. I also included phone number auto formatters to help automate entery process. There is also an birthday check option that checks one's birthday within 15 days. [Archived as /info-mac/card/addrephone.hqx; 68K] ------------------------------ Date: 10 FEB 91 17:39:04 CDT From: Z4648252 Subject: [*] FUJI_GADGETS.HQX (INIT) Stefan Bilaniuk's rotating EARTH exists on just about all Macs, Spectre GCR's, and Amax II's. FUJI_GADGETS is a rotating ball that has the GADGETS logo on one side, and the ATARI FUJI on the other. This is an INIT, goes in the SYSTEM/FOLDER and was designed for the Spectre GCR Macintosh Plus emulator. Although it will work on any Mac, the GADGETS and FUJI logos are obviously for the Spectre GCR Atari Macintosh Plus emulator. Larry Rymal: |East Texas Atari 68NNNers| [Archived as /info-mac/init/fuji-gadgets.hqx; 4K] ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 12 Feb 1991 09:22 EST From: Kenny Subject: Accessing the Control Panel INIT I am looking for a pd INIT that allows system administrators to prevent users from accessing the Control Panel. I believe it is called "NoControlPanel INIT". If anyone has it, could you upload it to the archives? Thanks. Kenny Freundlich Wellesley College ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 12 Feb 91 08:33:34 CST From: Larry Pickett Subject: application opening order Is there a way to control the order that applications open on boot under multifinder. My boss opens msword, excel, and macdft automatically and would like the macdft window to be on top ready to go. ------------------------------ Date: Tuesday, 12 Feb 1991 09:01:01 EST From: "Jeffrey N. Fritz" Subject: Creating color icons I'm sure that many netters have seen the tremendous improvement that using icon colorizers such as SunDesk brings to the Mac desktop. Color icons really make the Mac desktop look great! I've been so impressed that I decided to try my hand at modifing some icons and creating new color icons of my own (based on their pre-existing black and white cousins). Frankly, I've had only limited success. I can modify icl8s (color icons) with the latest version of ResEdit (version 2.1) which has MacPaint type tools. I'm okay as long as I don't mess with the ICN#(black and white) bit maps of the icon. If I change them in any way, none of the color icons are recognized after reboot. The entire desktop comes up with the generic black and white ICNs. Perhaps some netters can suggest how we can customize existing color icons (icl8s) and create our own new ones either with or without SunDesk. If some- one could create a brief tutorial it would be greatly appreciated. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 12 Feb 91 13:27:48 EST From: "Thomas J. Sterlacci" (PBMA) Subject: Disk I/O speed on a IIsi >I have a IIsi which was purchased with a dealer installed 100 Mb Quantum >hard disk drive in place of the Apple supplied hard disk. The first >thing I noticed was that the time to duplicate a disk file seemed >much longer than my old SE/30 with an Apple supplied 80 Mb drive. For >example, it take about 30 seconds to duplicate the MS Word application >(about 680K) on the si. At work on a 20 Mb Bernoulli disk, a IIcx will >duplicate the file in 5 seconds and an SE will do it in 10 seconds. >The time is not appreciably affected by the color >vs. B&W mode on the si. Note that recent speed tests reported on >the net have been for computation speed and not disk I/O. > >Does anyone have any idea why it takes so long on the si? Does the >Apple supplied 80 Mb drive take as long? Would partitioning the disk >speed things up? Dick, Something is WRONG and I don't think it can be your IIsi. Your talking almost an order of magnitude difference here. It is probably your Quantum HD. It could be one or more of the following three things (in order): 1. Your interleave and driver type is not set for the IIsi. If you received your HD formatted by the dealer, he may have formatted incorrectly. Even the HD manufacturer could screw-up (My CMS20 Utility wanted to format my CMS20 HD on my Mac+ at an interleave of 5! I got maximum speed and performance manually setting my interleave to 3 and using a MacSE driver!) Interleave varies with what machine you have and what HD you use. With today's high speed drives it should be the following: Mac+(3), MacSE(2), Classic(2 -I think), everything else(1). The interleave on a IIsi should be set for 1. You can check the interleave with a application like SCSITools (no longer in the sumex archives but I do have it if you want it). If your interleave is wrong or you just want to redo it, the HD must be formatted. Use the utility that came with the drive, but don't forget to backup your data. You can reinstall the driver (use IIsi driver) at any time. 2. Your HD is badly fragmented. I can't see this being the case since I don't think you have had your system for too long (unless you've been doing a lot of copying and deleting with your HD). You should run an optimization program anyway. 3. Your HD is a slow drive. This is highly unlikely since the average access time for a Quantum 100Mb is listed as 12ms. You could check the average access time with SCSI evaluator in the sumex archives. It should be around 12ms. By the way, if you try SCSI evaluator and the average access time is much greater than 12ms, your interleave is not set correctly. I guess I should have mentioned this in the first paragraph. I hope this helps and I'm not just tooting my horn. Tom Sterlacci ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 12 Feb 91 09:07:20 EST From: Bob Chen Subject: Dollars and Sense The recent discussion of Dollars and Sense interests me because I still use D&S version 3.x. I tried upgrading to version 4 when it first came out, but did not like the significant change--for the worse, in my opinion--in the user interface. In version 3, accounts are kept separately for each year, so that archiving is not necessary. Data entry seems easier and cleaner to me. This year, I did have to generate new accounts from scratch due to some sort of error that crept into my file for last year, but that is the first problem of this sort I'd ever encountered. Of course, I still have to use this version of D&S with its own start-up disk and older version of the system files, but as I have an old Mac 512ke sitting around, it's no big deal. Questions: are there other people around who still use/prefer this earlier version of D&S? Did version 5 stick with version 4's interface? What additional features in version 5 am I missing out on? Thanks for any information...Bob Chen, Brown University. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 12 Feb 91 09:38 EDT From: (Peter Jorgensen) Subject: HC 2.0 address error on 512KE w/ 2MB Greetings, Thanks to all who sent me suggestions for getting System 6.0 to boot on my Mac 512KE with the Human Touch accelerator/memory board. It turns out that 6.0 requires an SCSI bus. It hangs indefinitely trying to initialize the SCSI bus if none is present. I installed a Dove SCSI kit, and 6.0.7 is happy, and I am almost happy. Excel 2.2 now runs, etc. BUT HYPERCARD 2.0 DOES NOT! It crashes with an illegal instruction at 0000! Why it is branching to 0000 is a mystery to me. Could it be related to a sound manager anomoly I've also noticed? When I select the "Sound" CDEV in the control panel, I see the usual list of four sounds, "Simple Beep", "Boing", "Monkey", and "Clank". But regardless of which of these I choose, I just get a beep. Send your entry to "Human Touch Puzzler of The Week" c/o PJORGENSEN@COLGATEU.BITNET. Thanks in advance ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 12 Feb 1991 13:45:28 GMT From: ccssrg@gdt.bath.ac.uk (Simon Roger Gray) Subject: IIsi's programmers switch Recent articles in this news group talk of the Command-poweron programmers switch not working. Try installing the programmers-switch init from sumex-aim/init ... and Voila! ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 12 Feb 91 9:36:57 EST From: Tom Coradeschi Subject: Info-Mac Digest V9 #34 > >Is there a time server/client combo that will work over a LocalTalk network? >I've been reading, with great interest, about the Network Time 1.1.1 utility >which works with MacTCP. How about LocalTalk? > Scott, Grab the file /info-mac/cdev/tardis.hqx from sumex, which was posted there in January. It will do what you want (timeserver on one LocalTalk mac, time clients on all the others...). >Thanks, > >Scott >NBSN@mtsg.sfu.ca > tom coradeschi <+> tcora@pica.army.mil <+> tcora@dacth01.bitnet ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 12 Feb 91 08:44:13 CST From: treble@ascvms.sinet.slb.com Subject: Mac Buyer's Guide for Apple Support Coordinators Last spring I *paid for the privilege* of becoming an official Apple Resource Coordinator and Apple Technical Coordinator after attending a seminar in Houston. Prior to that, I was recognized by Apple National Accounts as an Apple Support Coordinator for the Schlumberger Austin System Center. Since *paying* $120 for the Resource Coordinator and Technical Coordinator kits (made up of two huge binders loaded with product spec and sales literature) I have received minimal support from Apple. Before I *paid* for the kits, I used to receive lots of technical and resource help - including the Mac Buyer's Guide! I never had to pay a cent for these materials, and Apple benefited by increased sales volume. Apple has since reduced its National Account support to nothing. I get an occasional AppleGram, but nothing else. Big Deal! I got more than this before I *paid* for the support kits! Anyone else been burned by Apple by *paying* to support your users? What a rip-off. Don't bother subscribing to the Apple Coordinator anything! It's not worth it. Acutally, Apple was pretty shrewd in getting users to *PAY* to become their "front-end" support. Makes one wonder what the Account salesmen do with all that spare time! In summary: You'll get much better support by asking questions of our esteemed colleagues on Info-Mac. (And it's FREE!) In my Humble, but accurate, opinion, John Treble treble@ascvms.slb.com [standard opinion disclaimer applies - it's my own, blah, blah, blah] ------------------------------ Date: 12 Feb 91 11:02:00 EST From: "CARL DEVORE" Subject: Mac IIsi RAM In Info-Mac V. 9 #35, Alberto Ricci states with regard to memory configurations of the Mac IIsi that: >The possible configurations are 1, 2, 5, and 17 Mb (in this case you'll be able >to use only 16 of the 17Mb, because of System 6.x addressing. However, System >7.0 will use (by the way, A/UX already does) up to 4Gb (that's 4096 Mb)). I have a IIsi configured with 17Mb of memory running system 6.0.7. Only 8 Mb of that memory is addressable, although the system 'knows' about the other 9 Mb. The latter is lumped with the actual (about 1 Mb) RAM used by the system, so that the 'About Finder ...' menu item indicates that some 10 Mb is allocated to the system. We have heard that software exists (Maxima? and/or Optima?) to make all 17 Mb addressable within system 6.0.x. As Mr. Ricci notes, however, the addressing problem will be eliminated with the imminent (?) release of system 7.0. Rick DeVore devore@lcp.nrl.navy.mil LCP&FD / NRL ------------------------------ Date: 12 Feb 91 09:06:00 EST From: "CAPT. RICHARD BERRY" Subject: MORE ON FALCON To Sean Chitwood of Rice (I don't know how to respond to your e-mail address) and others: Yes the flyer from Falcon said Mac IIcx. An interesting comment was made in that it was thought that Apple was discontinuing the CX. If that is true, perhaps it would explain why Falcon says they have limited quantities. And what better way for Apple to clear out some older machines and get good press by supporting the troops in the Middle East? Of course I could be cynical and say it was all motivated by profit and a lust for more Federal contracts. Falcon's Address: Falcon Microsystems 1801 McCormick Dr. Landover MD 20785 Products & Pricing: 301-341-0146 Order Information: 301-341-0146 Falcon Service: 301-341-0168 Or 1-800-284-1367 I should hasten to add that Falcon is not in the business to sell to the general public. They were formed primarily to be Apple's sole distributor to the Federal government. So, the only way to buy form them as an individual is to be a Federal employee. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 12 Feb 91 08:27:52 CST From: hallett@positron.com (Jeff Hallett x5163 ) Subject: NCSA TelNet 2.3 Anyone know how to save the color information in a session? Saving the set and reloading it loses the color info for me. As stated, I have version 2.3 running on a Mac IIcx under 6.0.4. Thanks ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 12 Feb 91 13:35:08 EST From: Do Minh Subject: no more icons Is there an init to get rid of the march of icons at startup? I have too many inits, and cdevs. Thanks. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 11 Feb 91 22:25:18 EST From: Peter Furmonavicius Subject: Question for GatorBox users Hello. I have two questions about GatorShare. I am using a GatorBox running version 1.6 of GatorShare and am connecting to a Sun NFS server. 1) Is there any way to allow "guest" access? That is, after selecting AppleShare in the Chooser, and then selecting the Sun file server, is there any way to connect to the file server as a "guest", instead of a "Registered User"? How do you all provide for 'guest' access (if you do) ? 2) Not related to the first question but, is it possible to download configurations to the GatorBox from ethernet connected Macintoshes? Or does one have to always download to the GatorBox from the LocalTalk side? Whats' the trick? Thanks. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 12 Feb 91 08:36:59 PST From: ISCJCW@uccvma.ucop.edu Subject: README Solution? >From: Jerry Wilcox ISCJCW@UCCVMA (415)987-0516 Subject: README Solution? Along with Larry Rymal and Les Ferch, I have been participating in the discussion about README files, and would like to contribute two thoughts: 1) Les calls for the various WP vendors to provide a PD version of their programs (MacWrite, Word, etc) which can read and print. I think this is a great idea, if it would work. I use both Word and Write/Now, neither of which provide such a utility. I also have a "demo" version of MacWrite II, but for this use, it is worthless because the Print function is crippled. Write/Now seems to do a pretty good job of translating most other formats to itself, so that's what I'm using. 2) For those doing new documentation, who are willing to look at an alternative method, I'd like to suggest DocMaker, from Green Mountain Software. It is a shareware program which allows you to develop a documentation package with complete control of text attributes, inclusion of pictures, etc., then allows you to distribute that package as a fully-functional self-reading document. I've created DocMaker documents and received a number of them, and they are no problem at all. I don't know if the package is in the archives (moderators?), but it could be uploaded if it is not. If you're interested, let me know and I'll send you the address and other information. BTW, I know that the latest version is available on several of the commercial services and through some user groups. I have no connection with Mark Wall or Green Mountain Software, other than as a very satisfied user of DocMaker. Jerry Wilcox -- ISCJCW@UCCVMA.ucop.edu -- (415)987-0516 (days) ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 12 Feb 91 11:18 EDT From: (Peter Jorgensen) Subject: Saving two cents at a time Murph Sewall (Vol 9, Issue 38) wonders about printing barcodes on envelopes to save postage. Our user group received a demo of MacEnvelope that does just that, and more. It also maintains mailing lists, and merges these lists to facilitate bulk mailing. Its features are too numerous to mention here, but it certainly does what Murph wants (one envelope at a time, or hundreds). Of course it's not shareware, but it isn't too expensive ($62.97 for educational inst) and site licensing is available. MacEnvelope is a product of SYNEX 692 Tenth Street Brooklyn, NY 11215-4502 (718) 499-6293 (I am not connected with SYNEX, I'm not even a happy user yet, but I plan to be.) Peter Jorgensen - microcomputer & VAX consultant - Colgate University PJORGENSEN@COLGATEU.BITNET - U0523.APPLELINK - (315) 824-7742 ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 12 Feb 91 13:51:56 MST From: Steve Shankman Subject: SimCity Cities Does anyone have any sample cities, or interesting ones to share? Steve shankmas@arizvm1.ccit.arizona.edu ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 12 Feb 91 13:06 EST From: NEUBURG@campus.swarthmore.edu Subject: Some bugs in HyperCard 2.0 >From: SWAT::NEUBURG 12-FEB-1991 13:05:37.88 To: NEUBURG CC: NEUBURG Subj: hbr The following is a report on a couple of miscellaneous bugs and programming errors I have run across in HYPERCARD 2.0. ------------------- BUG #1 is the only actual serious BUG, and has to do with MARKED CARDS. This bug is present both in the developer's version of 2.0 which was sent out around October and in the 2.0 currently being shipped with new machines (as far as I can tell, these are identical). If anyone knows how to notify Apple, I would appreciate having this passed on to the appropriate personnel, as it is fairly serious. It is now possible, as you may know, to MARK cards, by setting the card property MARKED of a given card to True, or by the command to "MARK..." the given card; similarly cards are that have been marked can be made unmarked by setting the card property MARKED of the card to False, or by the command "UNMARK". However, HyperCard behaves inconsistently with respect to the question of whether a card is or is not marked. The bug is complicated, so I have broken it down into different cases. If any cards of the stack are marked, then HyperCard behaves "correctly", as follows: Commands such as "go first marked card", "go last marked card", "go any marked card", "go next marked card", "go prev marked card", will go correctly to the given marked card. In the case where only ONE card is marked, all of these commands will go to it, but commands such as "go second marked card" will correctly cause HyperCard to return that there is no such card ("return" in this discussion means, either directly to the user, if the command was given from the msg box, or else by way of The Result, if the command was given from a script). But if NO CARDS of the stack are marked, then (this is the bug!): Giving the command "go next marked card" or "go prev marked card" from any card will correctly return "No such card" from HyperCard; but the commands "go first marked card", "go last marked card", "go second marked card", etc., will go to the FIRST CARD OF THE STACK, even though that card is NOT marked, and even though going to that card and asking for the Marked of that card will correctly return False. Furthermore, the statement "there is a first marked card", etc., will evaluate as "true", even though no cards are marked. Programmers are warned that in scripts one must avoid falling in to the trap of supposing, just because it is possible to "go first marked card", that therefore any cards of the stack are in fact marked. The numerical test "the number of marked cards" always correctly returns the actual number, and should be used prior to a "go" of this sort. (NB: by the way, the Boolean test "there is a marked card" is for some reason illegal, even though the statement "there is a card" is legal.) ------- The remaining bugs are programming errors in the scripts of the developer's stack as distributed around October. The material referred to here, the Help stacks and Power Tools, is NOT present in the version of HyperCard distributed free with new machines; but it was present in the developer's stack, and I presume that it is present in the new "pay" version of HyperCard distributed by Claris. However, I do not know whether the scripting errors in question have been corrected in that version: users should check the scripts. BUG #2 has to do with HELP stacks for HyperCard 2.0. The HyperCard Help and HyperCard Reference stacks have the property that clicking on grouped text (marked with a gray underline) will send the user to the corresponding discussion in the Help Extras stack. However, this feature will sometimes seem to fail to operate. This turns out to be because if the grouped text occurs right before a Return, it sometimes has accidentally been permitted to include that Return. Then, when the script checks the style and font of the grouped text to see whether it is a "Placeholder" or a "Glossary Item", it can be misled by the style and font of the Return if the Return is not in the same font and style as the text itself. The solution is to insert something like the following lines into the CheckActiveText handler in the script of the Stack of HyperCard Help: if the last char of thePhrase is return then put char 1 to (the length of thePhrase - 1) of thePhrase into thePhrase subtract 1 from word 4 of theChunkOfText end if These lines, which will remove the final Return from the text to be evaluated, should go after the line that reads "put the clickChunk into theChunkOfText". ------ BUG #3 has to do with a SUPER GROUPER script. The repeat loop in the "on spaceObjects" handler in the Stack script of the Power Tools stack should read: repeat with count = 2 to NumberOfItems get item count of ObjectList if direction is "Horz" then set LEFT of it to (RIGHT of item (count - 1) of ObjectList) + spacing else set TOP of it to (BOTTOM of item (count - 1) of ObjectList) + spacing end repeat The loop in my copy was written incorrectly, so that spacing did not work properly (the objects were caused to overlap, because the LEFT of it was set with respect to the LEFT of the previous item. ------ Hope this proves helpful to people. Matt Neuburg = neuburg@campus.swarthmore.edu ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 12 Feb 91 14:49:00 EST From: Mike Flynn Subject: Something faster than a Mac IIfx Does anybody know a computer that is faster than a fx. I thought that I saw something in the back of a mac magazine. But I can't remember the name. If I remember enough about the computer, it is a Mac IIfx than has been modified by the computer to run at about 50mhz. You can just send the mail to me. (No need to clutter the info-mac with this) Thanks to anybody who responds. - Flynnm @ duvm.ocs.Drexel.edu ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 12 Feb 91 13:46 EDT From: "G. Watts -- Rochester" Subject: System 7, IAC, and DTP Hi y'all, I was just thinking about system 7's inter-app communications(IAC) stuff. I can see one heck of a page layout program. The current versions of Pagemaker must understand the file format of an article they import. For example, I think pagemaker can read Word files, mac write II files, etc. Well, with IAC, that could be different. A user decides where a document is to be placed on the page (including size of bounding box, columns, etc.). This new page layout program then boots the app who owns the document and tells it, via IAC, to render the document in the specified bounding box. The page layout program need never know about the format of the data on the disk. Of course, I'm just a low-life when it comes to the world of DTP. I have used Pagemaker,.. breifly. More importantly, I don't use it everyday, all day. My idea, above, would take a lot of memory (many apps up and running at once) and also require quite a bit of processing power if things are going to go at a reasonable speed (ie -- each time you flip a page, all the sections would have to be redrawn by the owner programs). But it would be nice. If the IAC format was made public, everyone could write their programs with type setting build it. Perhaps programmers wouldn't have to pay attention to detailed page layout for each program they write. Just let the user do it (this means something cheaper than Pagemaker, I suppose) with this layout program. But hey, for this IAC stuff, are there going to be a bunch of accepted (public) formats for messages (not just in the DTP area, but in word processing, communications packages, utilities, etc.?). Idle hands are the devil's hands, Gordon. BITNET: watts@uorhep INET: gwatts@rutphy.rutgers.edu HEPNET: urhep::watts ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 12 Feb 91 11:07 +0100 From: "Povl H. Pedersen" Subject: Terminating harddisks There has recently been somebody who has told that the Macintosh computers have internal termination for the SCSI bus. THIS IS NOT THE CASE The internal termination in Macs consists of the 3 resistor packs that is fitted to the internal SCSI drive!!!. If you want to remove the termination of a drive, then you must pull up the resistor packs, which is 3 black or yellow IC-lookalike with only 1 row of pins. They are found just behind the drives connector. You can remove them with some controlled violence, as they are often mounted in some very small holes in the PCB which does not look like a socket. The problem in making an internal drives external is to get a PSU and to change the SCSI ID for the drive, but this is another story. Povl H. Pedersen eco8941@ecostat.aau.dk / hp48sx@wuarchive.wustl.edu ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 12 Feb 91 01:27:40 EST From: Murph Sewall Subject: TinCan On Mon, 11 Feb 91 18:03:38 CST you said: > I am looking for information on a communications (??) package called >TinCan. TinCan is written by George Furnival It offers a pretty good VT100 emulator (and a few others, I'm at home using an old Apple 2, so I haven't all the options handy :-) TinCan is to the Macintosh what YTerm is to the PC. Along with PC Trans running on a VM/CMS mainframe, these two programs provide rather simple (easy to learn how to use) file transfer protocols (text, binary, MacBinary) with appropriate CRC error checking. XModem is supported (at least in the beta version I'm testing :-) and George is busy adding Kermit too (coming soon). There is a discussion list on BITNET (TINCAN-L). Docs are shipped on disk with the program. George spends more time improving the program than writing docs, but TinCan was written for the Mac from the ground up. As with most Macware, you can get along fine with out paying much attention to the docs. ------------------------------ End of Info-Mac Digest ******************************