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From: osborn@cs.utexas.edu (John Howard Osborn)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next
Subject: Re: Osborn's Financing post
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Date: 14 Feb 91 05:27:04 GMT
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In article <252u3744.666487783@fergvax> 252u3744@fergvax.unl.edu (Jerry Annin) writes:
>	John H. Osborn at osborn@cs.utexas.edu informed me of something
>I didn't know.  He told me that NeXT hasn't gotten into financing
>because students are unimportant, and NeXT is ONLY REALLY INTERESTED IN

I said that NeXT marketing focus seems to be towards faculty and staff.
You may choose to read this as "students are unimportant."  I, on the
other hand, think that faculty and staff have more money to buy
expensive computers.  Tell me, does Sun woo students to buy SparcStations
at your school?


>FACULTY AND STAFF.  I do not appreciate mock sympathy!  I am a student
>and I realize that there are teachers who are completely consumed in
>themselves, and worry nothing about TEACHING - only their reasearch.  I
>am disgusted at this concept.  Is there University professors and
>faculty that care about the actual job of teaching, or are students some
>petty annoyance that get in their ways?

I'm not sure what this has to do with NeXT computer systems.  Perhaps
you should talk with your professors.

>	Of course I'm exaggerating.  My CS techers have been of the
>topmost character - giving lots of free time to help students.  It seems
>that Mr/Dr Osborn feels differently about the role of instructors -
>saying that the emphasis of Universities is teaching.  Now I don't want
>to start an ethics battle on this newsgroup but I would like replies on
>a couple of things.

Again, I'm not sure what this has to do with NeXT computers.

>	Other members of this newsgroup have given me a plethora of
>starting places to find adequite financing.  Granted it will still be
>REALLY hard to get these to work.  I was/am willing to put forth the

Good luck.  I waited over 2 years before I could afford to buy a machine.

>effort because I thought that NeXT wanted students and I know I
>wanted/want NeXT.  If there is no place for students then WHY??? have

NeXT doesn't want faculty, staff, students or businessmen.  They
want customers.  Is this a hard concept to wrap your brain around,
or are you just not thinking clearly?

>people been so instructive in helping me - a lowly STUDENT.  There do I
>have a black mark on my forehead.  P L E A S E   tell me that I have
>been lied to.  Does NeXT and UTEXAS agree with this?  I need to know if

What makes you think I speak for NeXT or the University of Texas?

>NeXT is interested in students and if we are being allowed a part of
>higher education.  I really disagree with what John Osbrn said and

You seem to be making an intuitive leap right off the edge of the trampoline.
Students can buy NeXT equipment at a discount, just like faculty.
Clearly, therefore, you are "allowed a part of higher education."

>implied.  We might need a student revolt to reclaim the respect we
>deserve.  Education is important and I, for one, believe that students
>are important and are worthy of education and this machine - if they can
>WORK hard at want they want to acheive.

Proper education helps prevent us from looking like a fool in public.

>	You probably want to e-mail me since parts of this do not apply
>to this group directly.  I am impressed by NeXT.  I want a NeXT.  And I

So why are you posting?

>am closer tha I have ever been to getting one.  Is is all for naught?  I
>hope/believe that Osborn is a minority.

I'm in lots of minorities.

>	Thanks for listening...

No problem.

>	Jerry Annin  is  252u3744@fergvax.unl.edu

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-John H. Osborn
-osborn@cs.utexas.edu