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From: karinc@isc.intel.com (Karin Coffee)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.novell
Subject: Re: backups & reinstalls
Message-ID: <1152@intelisc.isc.intel.com>
Date: 15 Feb 91 00:41:00 GMT
References: <21790@dice.la.locus.com> <10618@cica.cica.indiana.edu>
Organization: Supercomputer Systems Division, Intel Corp.
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In article <10618@cica.cica.indiana.edu> will@ogre.cica.indiana.edu (William Sadler) writes:
>In article <21790@dice.la.locus.com> lee@locus.com (Lee Slaughter) writes:
>>
>>1. I have nightly unattended tape backups going on, but I
>>have problems if users have stayed logged in (and of course
>>no amount of pleading or threatening stops this) and therefore left
>>files open. It screws up the backup. Is there any way to gracefully
>>force users off other than console's "CLEAR STATION n"?
>>(i.e. not damage open files)
>
>I can't get people to log off even when downing the server in an
>emergency.  Sytos or Sytos plus software will skip open files then
>go back to get them at the end of the back up.  I think the only
>way to prevent this problem is to educate your users.  Of course, you
>could prevent usage after a certain time by restricting the
>hours for usage in syscon. Just closing their connections is always
>tempting. 


I use this strategy so that my backups run cleanly, but restricting the
login hours in syscon does not do a graceful logout of the user.  It
simply clears the station.  I'm down to about 6 users getting kicked off
each night.  Eventually they get tired of having to reboot every morning,
and then they come ask me about it, but I have requested and explained and
bitched until I'm blue in the face, and they still don't log out when they
leave.  So, I disconnect them every night.  Some day they'll learn.

Evidently there are some third-party software packages available that
back users out of the application that they are in and then log them out,
but I haven't found them yet.

Anybody else seen these?


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