Path: utzoo!utgpu!news-server.csri.toronto.edu!cs.utexas.edu!wuarchive!emory!ra!it1 From: it1@ra.MsState.Edu (Tim Tsai) Newsgroups: comp.unix.shell Subject: Re: Norton Go Home! We don't want you! Message-ID: Date: 14 Feb 91 23:39:58 GMT References: <1991Feb6.085431.6076@minyos.xx.rmit.oz.au> <430@bria> <433@bria> Distribution: na Lines: 55 In article <433@bria>: >In an article, ms.uky.edu!kherron (Kenneth Herron) writes: >In my "not-quite-so-humble" opinion, armchair sysadmins deserve DOS. >You are talking about two things here: system administration and end-use. >In the DOS world, "end-user" and "administrator" are one in the same. >Not so in the UNIX world. It is very often the case in the 386/Unix world.. With prices of workstations dropping, more end users will have their own Unix box on their desk. >The end-user does not and should not need to know about anything other >than logging in, reading/sending mail, and using the application(s) that >meet his/her job requirements. This same end-user has no use for NU. There are lots of computer proficient "end-users" who aren't sysadmins, and they'll use whatever tools they find necessary. >Personally, I would never trust an administrator that leaned on menus >and shrink-wrapped scripts _too_ much. How much is too much? I have >encountered "sysadmins" who couldn't add a user without some sort of >script. Not worth a dime, IMHO. Sysadmins' gotta start somewhere. Were you born with knowledge of Unix internals? What's wrong with packages that ease the job of system administrators? By your definition, any sysadmin that relies on a full-screen editor isn't worth a dime either. A *REAL* sysadmin would use ed, right? >>In article <430@bria>: >There is a tradeoff here. It seems to me that making things easier for you, >things get more convoluted for me. No thanks. How about putting a >a copy of this program in /usr/local/bin and make it first in PATH for >those end-users ... How does installing a package make things any more difficult for you? Don't you already do that on a regular basis if you are a sysadmin? With an undelete package, I can only see less trouble for a sysadmin.. For one, he/she wouldn't have to keep answering messages asking how to undelete a file (or at least have a solution)! Note that I dislike Norton Utilities, but there are instances where an undelete command would've come in handy. I don't go around complaining to my sysadmin about it because I know there isn't an easy solution... If there IS an easy solution that doesn't create any hassle for the sysadmin however, I certainly would... [rm program deleted] I'm glad you aren't my sysadmin. -- I'd never cry if I did find a blue whale in my soup... Nor would I mind a porcupine inside a chicken coop. Yes life is fine when things combine, like ham in beef chow mein... But Lord this time I think I mind, they've put acid in my rain.