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From: dvb@emisle.uucp (David Van Beveren)
Newsgroups: comp.windows.x
Subject: Re: Motif/Openlook, is there a trend?
Summary: Let's be done with this.
Message-ID: <1991Feb16.013750.3241@emisle.uucp>
Date: 16 Feb 91 01:37:50 GMT
References: <1991Feb12.172735.5137@alphalpha.com> <5513@trantor.harris-atd.com> <8001@exodus.Eng.Sun.COM>
Reply-To: dvb@emisle.UUCP (David Van Beveren)
Followup-To: alt.useless.discussions
Organization: Emerald Isle Systems, Ltd. Agoura Hills, CA
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I everyone just about sick of this discussion? I certainly is not going
anywhere, nothing is going to be resolved, and it has taken up thousands
of dollars connect time for poor dial-up users like me.

Maybe I can summarize what we all have learned from these long weeks of
people posting to this category:

1. Sun has the most workstations in the field.
2. People who use Motif like it.
3. People who use OpenLookIntrinsicsToolkit like it.
4. People who use XViews like it.
5. Open Look style guide is not _significantly_ different than Motif style
   guide. 
6. Open Look has been around a little longer.
7. OpenWindows takes more resources than X windows.
8. You can only get OpenWindows on a sun (basically).
9. A lot of people with suns like and use Motif on their suns (w/out OpenWin)
10. Sun has AT&T's support.
11. Motif has DEC, HP and IBM support.
11. There are things you can do with NeWS that you can't do with X
12. Magazine statistics (in fact any statistics) can be manipulated.
13. Personal Workstation likes Sun.
14. Unix Today likes motif
15. DEC, HP and IBM combined are bigger than sun and AT&T combined, when it
    comes to computers.
16. Motif is probably a little more powerful than OLIT or XViews, and it
    is probably correspondingly more difficult to program in.
17. People differ in their opinion of DevGuide
18. People differ in their opinion of XVT
19. OLWM plays by different rules than mwm, twm and gwm.
20. motif programs can run on OpenWindows, and sometimes they have problems
    doing so.
21. OL users are more enthusiastic about support for their product than are
    motif users.
22. A few people on this net are VERY enthusiastic, one way or another. Words
    like love and hate are seldom appropriate when used to describe software.
23. Motif has bugs.
24. OLIT has bugs.
25. XViews has bugs
26. OpenWindows has bugs.
27. InterViews uses c++, and has bugs as well.
28. I have missed several points, so don't post them, we know what they are.

I suggest the main opponents engage in mailing their arguements, then nasty
mail, then formal jousting, with horses and all, at a point equidistant from
both MIT and Sun. Watching this arguement has been like watching people argue
about abortion, nobody is going to win, it is just a difference of OPINION.

Let's keep this newsgroup to a discussion of facts, Q & A, bugs reports, 
and the like. If someone wants an opinion, let him/her post the question
and people should respond to her/him via e-mail. Let him/her post the
results if she/he wants. But please, no more pointless opinions, it is just
a waste of time and money.

BTW, I use and like motif toolkit, have used and didn't like OpenWindows, have
no prefernece between style guides, and do not support womens' right to
have abortions. ( I already regret saying that )
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