Path: utzoo!utgpu!news-server.csri.toronto.edu!cs.utexas.edu!usc!zaphod.mps.ohio-state.edu!sdd.hp.com!news.cs.indiana.edu!news.nd.edu!mentor.cc.purdue.edu!mace.cc.purdue.edu!nvi From: nvi@mace.cc.purdue.edu (Charles C. Allen) Newsgroups: comp.lang.smalltalk Subject: Re: Digitalk's Smalltalk/V Mac plans? Message-ID: <6861@mace.cc.purdue.edu> Date: 21 Feb 91 02:44:02 GMT References: <6848@mace.cc.purdue.edu> <2044@media01.UUCP> Distribution: comp Organization: Purdue University Lines: 45 In article <2044@media01.UUCP>, pkr@media01.UUCP (Peter Kriens) writes: > And because the complete toolbox is accesible from Smalltalk, I wonder > what your problems are. Could you elaborate a little bit more on your > problems. I am quite curious. Any procedures/functions marked [Not in ROM] do not go throught the trap dispatcher and hence are not available from with ST/V Mac. Examples are GetDblTime, GetCaretTime, GetIndString, ScreenRes, GetIndPattern, IUCompString, IUEqualString, MoveHHi, MemError, all the High-Level File Manager routines in IM IV (not all the functionality is included in ST/V Mac), to list some. Access via traps to the toolbox is simply not adequate. I want to use the Smalltalk language to program with. Gems like sure don't look like Smalltalk to me. I could spend my time writing wrappers for things that Digitalk doesn't provide, but I'd rather spend my time solving the problems I'm interested in, not fighting ST/V Mac. Where are the interfaces to checkboxes, radio buttons, icons? Color windows/panes? Styled TextEdit? Heck, there's no interface to the old TextEdit. ST/V Mac is only so-so in its adherence to the Mac UI guidelines. The text cursor does not blink, pushbuttons are used in the System Browser and Debugger as radio buttons, etc. I have in my hand the Spring 1989 Scoop. It states that "Goodies for Smalltalk/V Mac will be available soon." They finally got around to actually mentioning this again in the last newsletter of 1990, where they state that "Smalltalk/V Mac Goodies... will be available by the end of the year." I called Digitalk this afternoon and was told that the product is not available, and they have no projected availability date. This is support? While I am glad Digitalk appears to be doing well with their DOS and IBM products, I see no indication that they're interested in continuing in the Mac market. I would be quite happy to be proved otherwise. Charles Allen Internet: cca@physics.purdue.edu Department of Physics HEPnet: purdnu::allen, fnal::cca Purdue University Bitnet: cca@fnal.bitnet 1396 Physics Building West Lafayette, IN 47907-1396 talknet: 317/494-9776