Xref: utzoo news.announce.newgroups:887 comp.misc:11517 comp.sys.misc:3264 alt.config:3890 Path: utzoo!utgpu!cs.utexas.edu!usc!zaphod.mps.ohio-state.edu!rpi!tale From: D.W.Wright@stl.stc.co.uk (David Wright) Newsgroups: news.announce.newgroups,comp.misc,comp.sys.misc,alt.config Subject: VOTE RESULT: comp.sys.unisys fails 103:9 Message-ID: <#5~&1J*@rpi.edu> Date: 21 Feb 91 02:54:20 GMT Sender: tale@cs.rpi.edu Followup-To: news.groups,alt.config Organization: STC Technology Limited, London Road, Harlow, Essex, UK Lines: 266 Approved: tale@rpi.edu Nntp-Posting-Host: cs.rpi.edu The results are now in for comp.sys.unisys: 103 YES 9 NO There were also two entries which didn't state how they wanted to vote, and four late votes (3 YES, 1 NO); these have not been included in the result. Subject to ratification, the vote therefore FAILS by 6 votes, as there must be a majority of 100 for the group to be created. The majority must also be >66%, but that was not a problem here (92%). Unless there have been a significant number of votes lost, or other irregularities, and these are reported within the next 5 days, the group will not be created. A full list of all accepted votes is appended, followed by an analysis of voting by site. The "site vote" was 73 : 9, and no site voted both ways. Comment ------- The vote suffered by lack of 'mid-term' publicity in news.announce.newgroups because the moderator was away - the 2nd CFV only went to news.groups, comp.misc and comp.sys.misc. How significant this was cannot be known - probably it would have made a few votes difference. 6? There was certainly a boost to the voting rate after the second posting. On the other hand, I did run the vote for 4 weeks (many now run for 3, the minimum allowed), and of course the original CFV was in n.a.n. So everyone who really cared should have known about it. None of the NO voters gave any comment on their reasons. A few YES voters did, typically that they were users and would benefit from talking to each other. I also received a comment from a Unisys person saying that the group would be good both for them and for their users. A pity it won't happen. N.B. the comment about the moderator being away isn't a complaint about Eliot, who did a good job for us all and didn't get many thanks for it - moderators need a break just like anyone else. But maybe Dave could appoint a couple of stand-by's ready for when *he* needs a break? So what now? ------------ So what now? Go back to the mailing list? Post to comp.sys.misc? Create alt.sys.unisys after all? I must say that if we do this, all the vote will have done is delayed that group by 2-3 months. I must say it because if I don't, someone else will :-) If there is now steady Unisys trafic in comp.sys.misc or alt.sys.unisys, and it keeps up for at least 6 months, then another vote held then might succeed (votes cannot be repeated in less than 6 months). Finally - I think it is reflection on the state of the net that a technical, computer based group like this fails, while all sorts of social, recreational and political groups can be created with large majorities. Usenet has ceased to be primarily a technical forum for better understanding of computer systems, and is now a much more general talking shop. Whether this is a good or bad thing is not an issue I'll debate here. Detail Results by User and by Site ---------------------------------- NO votes (9) --------- Carl Rigney Carl S. Gutekunst Christopher Bryden David Robinson Jeff Beadles Leonard Peirce Nobuya Higgy Higashiyama Paul Eggert balter@cipc1.dayton.ncr.com YES votes (103) --------- Adam King Adrian Godwin Alan Beal Alan Egan Andy Toy Anthony DeBoer Bengt Larsson Bill Bogstad Bill Holman Bob Nicol Brian Matthews CCWENKER@cnedcu51.bitnet Charles Anderson Chris Johnson Christopher T. Pedro Clive Chinery Craig S. Wilson Dan Boehlke Dan Veditz Dave Cline David S. Cargo David Wright Dennis Lienke Dominic Dunlop Donald Phillips Duane L. Rezac Ed Bacon Ed Naratil Eric Horner <8eah@gotham.rsvl.unisys.com> Frank Piper Gary Greene Gil Pilz@Eng@Banyan Greg Nault <8gkn@gotham.rsvl.unisys.com> Gregg Wolfe Gregory G. Woodbury Jacob Ellis Jeff White Jeffery S. Wilson Jeffrey Comstock Jim Hopkins Jim Lovsey, Metro. Ed. Council, (614)221-8005 Jim Young <8young@gotham.rsvl.unisys.com> John G Dobnick Lance Welch Lee Bertagnolli Lucinda Siren M.V.L. Prasad Marek Behr [Aero Eng] Mark Adams Mark Perew Marshall Belland Michael Chastain Michael Dobson Mike Kain Mike Wharton Miles ONeal Mitch Pockrandt Orion@cup.portal.com Otto Tennant P.Galbavy@micromuse.co.uk PHIL@mtus5.earn Pamela Kannegieter Peter da Silva Plu festu, uloj Pocky 1st AD, OSJA Rich Adams Richard H. Miller Robert J. Granvin Scott R. Anderson Scott Sheldon Bertilson Scott Williamson Steven S. Brack Theo Heavey Thomas B. Clark III Thomas Hintz Tom Albrecht William M. Hawkins William Moore bert@s5000.rsvl.unisys.com bob@morningstar.com burke bwl@s5000.rsvl.unisys.com caudle@s5000.rsvl.unisys.com dgs@dvncnms.uucp dick schenke fwp1@cc.msstate.edu gray@s5000.rsvl.unisys.com hayek@uninor.uucp ian@syacus.acus.oz.au jak@s5000.rsvl.unisys.com jennie@sx1100.rsvl.unisys.com jlhall@ficc.ferranti.com knute@nodec.rsvl.unisys.com kunkee@ficc.ferranti.com lap@dvncnms.uucp markw@gvlf8.gvl.unisys.com mike@chorus.fr rlm@dvncnms.uucp sds@dvncnms.uucp sf@uninor.uucp tem@sx1100.rsvl.unisys.com toad@cellar.uucp vavra@s5000.rsvl.unisys.com The following site analysis is for interest only: sites do not vote as such. YES votes by site (73) NO votes by Site (9) ----------------- ---------------- 1 6sceng.uucp 1 brahms.amd.com 1 acorn.co.uk 1 cipc1.dayton.ncr.com 1 afcsa.af.mil 1 elroy.jpl.nasa.gov 1 aisnet.uucp 1 freezer.it.udel.edu 1 ansbach-emh1.army.mil 1 gumby.cc.wmich.edu 1 athenanet.com 1 meaddata.com 1 autodesk.uucp 1 onion.pdx.com 1 banyan.banyan.com 1 pyramid.pyramid.com 1 blkhole.uucp 1 twinsun.com 1 cc.msstate.edu 1 cellar.uucp 1 cherry.cray.com 1 chorus.fr 1 cmc.com 1 cnedcu51.bitnet 1 cogsci.cog.jhu.edu 1 convex.csd.uwm.edu 1 cs.fau.edu 1 cs.umn.edu 1 cup.portal.com 1 dbase.a-t.com 1 dcsc.dla.mil 1 dixie.com 1 dvnspc1.uucp 1 fig.cray.com 1 gacvx2.gac.edu 1 gjetor.geac.com 1 gvlf8.gvl.unisys.com 1 gvlv3.gvl.unisys.com 1 hpuxa.ircc.ohio-state.edu 1 jhereg.osa.com 1 m1.88open.org 1 macs.sp.unisys.com 1 maths.lth.se 1 mecsys.mps.ohio-state.edu 1 med.unc.edu 1 medicus.com 1 memex.co.uk 1 micromuse.co.uk 1 mks.uucp 1 morningstar.com 1 msc.edu 1 mtus5.earn 1 nocusuhs.nnmc.navy.mil 1 nodec.rsvl.unisys.com 1 ocf.berkeley.edu 1 ofa123.fidonet.org 1 pavlov.ssctr.bcm.tmc.edu 1 quest.uucp 1 rose3.rosemount.com 1 s1.msi.umn.edu 1 scifi.uucp 1 seachg.uucp 1 sialis.com 1 src.honeywell.com 1 stl.stc.co.uk 1 syacus.acus.oz.au 1 tredysvr.tredydev.unisys.com 1 tsa.co.uk 1 vicstoy.uucp 1 wolves.uucp 1 zip.convergent.com 2 sx1100.rsvl.unisys.com 2 uninor.uucp 2 unislc.uucp 2 uunet.uucp 3 brainiac.mn.org 4 dvncnms.uucp 4 dvnspc1.dev.unisys.com 4 ficc.ferranti.com 6 com2serv.c2s.mn.org 6 gotham.rsvl.unisys.com 6 s5000.rsvl.unisys.com Regards, David Wright STL, London Road, Harlow, Essex CM17 9NA, UK dww@stl.stc.co.uk ...uunet!mcsun!ukc!stl!dww PSI%234237100122::DWW /g=David/s=Wright/org=STC Technology Ltd/prmd=STC plc/admd=Gold 400/co=GB -- (setq mail '("tale@rpi.edu" "uupsi!rpi!tale" "tale@rpitsmts.bitnet"))