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From: daveh@cbmvax.commodore.com (Dave Haynie)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
Subject: Re: How to beat a NeXT
Keywords: nexts, suck, unexpandible, slow
Message-ID: <18988@cbmvax.commodore.com>
Date: 14 Feb 91 23:08:59 GMT
References: <1991Feb11.023952.19951@NCoast.ORG> <1991Feb12.043247.6171@mintaka.lcs.mit.edu> <1991Feb12.210216.19479@sugar.hackercorp.com> <1991Feb13.044829.11371@mintaka.lcs.mit.edu> <1991Feb13.071047.16549@portia.Stanford.EDU>
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In article <1991Feb13.071047.16549@portia.Stanford.EDU> bard@jessica.stanford.edu (David Hopper) writes:

>Remember that NeXT helped Moto out quite a bit.  

Really?  In what way?  Certainly not by buying 68030 chips; C=, Apple, HP, Sun,
maybe even GVP bought more of those puppies.  By testing the '040?  Plenty of
others, like HP, several VME board makers, etc. were pushing the '040 much
harder during its development.  If you caught the Motorola's original '040
add, there were quite a few names on the list.  Most were presumably working
with '040s, even if they haven't shipped any such system yet.  And it would be
reasonable to expect companies like Apple, who weren't on the list, have been
likewise looking at the chip.

So what's left?  Well, NeXT did get good press on these new machines, and that
does benefit Motorola, since you pretty much have to believe a chip is real 
when its shipping in a system.  

>Well, this is all pretty academic.  We'll never see an '040 A500, and C=
>will likely have to pay a good deal more than NeXT has for their '040s.

Not necessarily.  You tend to pay based on the volume you need.  If C= does
get into the '040 machine business, they might buy more '040s than NeXT.
Anyone who puts one in an A500 at the right price has a real good chance of 
selling more '040s -- NeXTs are measured in O(10,000) quantity, A500s are 
measured in O(1,000,000) quantity.

Personally, I haven't had a chance to work with the '040 myself, but it's a
cool chip.

>Dave Hopper      |      /// The Amiga:      | The great strength of the total-

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