Xref: utzoo comp.sys.3b1:326 comp.sys.att:11823 Path: utzoo!mnetor!tmsoft!torsqnt!news-server.csri.toronto.edu!bonnie.concordia.ca!uunet!spool.mu.edu!uwm.edu!rpi!tale From: tale@rpi.edu (David C Lawrence) Newsgroups: comp.sys.3b1,comp.sys.att Subject: Re: premature dropping of unix-pc.* Message-ID: Date: 17 Feb 91 06:57:50 GMT References: <1991Feb12.072818.24706@i88.isc.com> <987@gnosys.svle.ma.us> <1066@hico2.UUCP> Organization: Rensselaer Polytechnic Institute Computer Science, Troy NY Lines: 39 Nntp-Posting-Host: cs.rpi.edu In article <1066@hico2.UUCP> kak@hico2.UUCP (Kris A. Kugel) writes: In reality, I think we won't get proper distribution of comp.sys.3b1 and comp.sources.3b1 until: 1. we kick and scream 2. we figure out where the stoppages are 3. we get a couple more "create group" messages sent around 4. we get our groups into the regular "checkgroup" message 5. You just sit back with the patience you displayed so well while suffering under the distribution of unix-pc.* trying to get these groups created and just let time do its thing. 4 and 5 will do the most toward that end. 1 and 3 (1 mostly) will do the most to piss people off, and 2 will likely waste more of your producutivity than it will help the overall picture. It generally takes in the area of two months or so for a new, mainstream group to level off near the propagation percentages it will tend to have during the course of its existence. Part of this is because some admins wait until Spaf's next checkgroups or Active Newsgroups comes out. Another part is just slowness of some admins and feeds to arrange themselves. I suspect that the cross-postings dissappear on systems that alias the new group. I think the solution to the comp.sources.3b1 lack-of-distribution is a proper archive (accessible by anom. uucp), so we won't miss anything. On C News systems doing refiling the cross-posted article will appear in the group as many time as it is being filed there; ie, a cross-posting to comp.sys.3b1 and unix-pc.general will be seen twice (with just one inode being used) in comp.sys.3b1 on C News sites doing such refiling. The problems with this are that most newsreaders do not do Xrefs until after you leave a group, and that for people looking at Subject summaries they will see the same article in the summary multiple times. This is the way C News is though, at least for now. It also does not rewrite the header to change the group being refiled in any way, unlike B News and aliasing. -- (setq mail '("tale@rpi.edu" "uupsi!rpi!tale" "tale@rpitsmts.bitnet"))