Xref: utzoo comp.windows.x:32867 comp.windows.x.motif:1945 comp.windows.open-look:598 Path: utzoo!mnetor!tmsoft!torsqnt!news-server.csri.toronto.edu!cs.utexas.edu!wuarchive!uunet!mcsun!unido!ecrc!guug!ixos!dieter From: dieter@ixos Newsgroups: comp.windows.x,comp.windows.x.motif,comp.windows.open-look Subject: Re: Toolkit for Open Look *and* OSF/Motif Look and Feel Message-ID: <1325@ixos.de> Date: 15 Feb 91 11:19:01 GMT Sender: dieter@ixos.de Reply-To: dieter@ixos () Organization: iXOS Software, Munich, West Germany Lines: 270 Subject: Re: Toolkit for Open Look *and* OSF/Motif Look and Feel Thank You for your answers to my Question about the toolkits for Open Look and OSF/Motif Look and Feel. The information I got was a helpful step forward for the solution of our problem. I repost the answers I received by email in the rest of this article. My question was: >> Toolkit for Open Look *and* OSF/Motif Look and Feel >> >> We are searching for a special toolkit for the >> development of graphical user interfaces(GUI) based on the X Window System. >> This toolkit should allow to get the Look and Feel of both toolkits, >> namely OSF/Motif and Open Look, >> out of one single applikation programming interface(API)! >> >> >> "OSF/Motif" UI >> / >> / >> single API < >> \ >> \ >> "Open Look" UI >> >> We have been told, that there are existing solutions, e.g. one of the >> Solbourne Company, mentioned in a product announcement of AT&T. >> >> Who can give information about this or other toolkits with the >> described possibilities? Thank you for your answers. >> >> Please reply by email to Thanks a lot, Dieter Tremel *----------------------------------------------------------------------* Dieter Tremel | uunet!unido!ixos!dieter iXOS Software GmbH | or Bretonischer Ring 12 | dieter@ixos.uucp 8011 Grasbrunn/Muenchen - West Germany | *----------------------------------------------------------------------* ****************************************************************************** repost repost repost repost repost repost repost repost repost repost ****************************************************************************** Return-Path: Received: by ixos.de (sendmail 5.61) id AA00363; Fri, 15 Feb 91 08:00:26 +0100 Received: by guug.guug.de (5.57/GUUG-V3.0) id AA06478; Fri, 15 Feb 91 07:33:50 MEZ Received: from unido.Informatik.Uni-Dortmund.DE by tumuc.regent.e-technik.tu-muenchen.de with SMTP (5.61++L2/TUMUC-V3.17) id AA26319; Fri, 15 Feb 91 07:30:42 +0100 Received: from gpu.utcs.utoronto.ca by unido.informatik.uni-dortmund.de with SMTP (5.65+/UNIDO-2.0.3.e) via EUnet for tumuc.regent.e-technik.tu-muenchen.de id AA12598; Fri, 15 Feb 91 06:31:34 GMT Received: by gpu.utcs.utoronto.ca id <18664>; Fri, 15 Feb 1991 01:30:16 -0500 >From: Craig Hubley To: dieter@ixos.de Subject: Re: Toolkit for Open Look *and* OSF/Motif Look and Feel Newsgroups: comp.windows.x,comp.windows.x.motif,comp.windows.open-look In-Reply-To: <1322@ixos.de> Organization: UTCS Public Access Message-Id: <91Feb15.013016est.18664@gpu.utcs.utoronto.ca> Date: Fri, 15 Feb 1991 01:30:03 -0500 The library you are looking for is called OI (Object Interface) and it is indeed by Solbourne. AT&T is distributing it with C++ as an added- value product. Note that you *must* use C++ as this is a C++ library that cannot run under C. It makes heavy use of C++'s object-oriented features. Learning C++ isn't too much of a burden for a good C programmer. In fact it is *more* difficult for an expert C programmer, because while the C++ language is a superset of C, good C++ design involves unlearning a lot of what was desirable in structured programming. As a C++ instructor, and a consultant on user interfaces, I can say with some confidence that you should not find OI difficult to use once you understand C++. But be prepared to take a course and devote a couple of weeks to learning your way around it. C++ is going through ANSI standardization in the US and probably ISO standardization soon after that - it is a quite mature language at this point, although some features will probably be added. Hope this helps, Craig Hubley "...get rid of a man as soon as he thinks himself an expert." Craig Hubley & Associates------------------------------------Henry Ford Sr. craig@gpu.utcs.Utoronto.CA UUNET!utai!utgpu!craig craig@utorgpu.BITNET craig@gpu.utcs.toronto.EDU {allegra,bnr-vpa,decvax}!utcsri!utgpu!craig 28 First Avenue, Toronto, Ontario M4M 1W8 Canada Voice: (416) 466-4097 Return-Path: Received: by ixos.de (sendmail 5.61) id AA12613; Fri, 15 Feb 91 00:32:52 +0100 Received: by guug.guug.de (5.57/GUUG-V3.0) id AA02516; Fri, 15 Feb 91 00:25:14 MEZ Received: from unido.Informatik.Uni-Dortmund.DE by tumuc.regent.e-technik.tu-muenchen.de with SMTP (5.61++L2/TUMUC-V3.17) id AA18617; Fri, 15 Feb 91 00:22:00 +0100 Received: from mcsun.EU.net by unido.informatik.uni-dortmund.de with SMTP (5.65+/UNIDO-2.0.3.e) via EUnet for regent.regent.e-technik.tu-muenchen.de id AA06383; Thu, 14 Feb 91 23:22:50 GMT Received: by mcsun.EU.net via EUnet; id AA12497 (5.65a/CWI-2.72); Fri, 15 Feb 91 00:21:40 +0100 Received: from microbus.UUCP by uunet.UU.NET (5.61/1.14) with UUCP id AA18550; Thu, 14 Feb 91 18:13:41 -0500 Received: from nsx.visix.com by visix.com (4.1/VSX-0.8) id AA06344; Wed, 14 Feb 90 17:39:35 EST Received: by nsx.visix.com (5.61/SMI-4.1) id AA12502; Thu, 14 Feb 91 17:39:21 -0500 Date: Thu, 14 Feb 91 17:39:21 -0500 >From: amanda@visix.com (Amanda Walker) Message-Id: <9102142239.AA12502@nsx.visix.com> To: dieter@ixos.de Subject: Re: Toolkit for Open Look *and* OSF/Motif Look and Feel Newsgroups: comp.windows.x,comp.windows.x.motif,comp.windows.open-look In-Reply-To: <1322@ixos.de> Organization: Visix Software Inc., Reston, VA In article <1322@ixos.de> you write: >We are searching for a special toolkit for the development of >graphical user interfaces(GUI) based on the X Window System. This >toolkit should allow to get the Look and Feel of both toolkits, >namely OSF/Motif and Open Look, out of one single applikation >programming interface(API)! We (Visix Software Inc.) have such a toolkit. We have been using it in our own products for several years, and we will be offering it for sale to the general public this summer. It provides the following `look and feel' standards: OSF Motif Open Look (2D & 3D) IBM CUA (similar to Microsoft Windows or Presentation Manager) on the following window systems: X Window System version 11 SunView Intergraph Environ V It currently runs on 45 different combinations of workstation hardware and window system software, with additional ports in progress. The look and feel is selectable at runtime by the user. The toolkit is very small and fast, compared to other user interface toolkits, especially ones based on X widgets. For example, our major product (a visual desktop environment called "Looking Glass") has a smaller binary on many systems than the Motif window manager alone. If you would like more information, please feel free to contact me: Amanda Walker Visix Software, Inc. 11440 Commerce Park Drive Reston, VA 22901 USA +1 703 758 8230 (voice) +1 703 758 0233 (fax) Return-Path: Received: by ixos.de (sendmail 5.61) id AA08429; Thu, 14 Feb 91 18:09:56 +0100 Received: by guug.guug.de (5.57/GUUG-V3.0) id AA21595; Thu, 14 Feb 91 17:48:22 MEZ Received: from unido.Informatik.Uni-Dortmund.DE by tumuc.regent.e-technik.tu-muenchen.de with SMTP (5.61++L2/TUMUC-V3.17) id AA12961; Thu, 14 Feb 91 17:45:10 +0100 Received: from mcsun.EU.net by unido.informatik.uni-dortmund.de with SMTP (UNIDO-2.0.3.e) via EUnet for regent.regent.e-technik.tu-muenchen.de id AA12486; Thu, 14 Feb 91 14:18:38 GMT Received: by mcsun.EU.net via EUnet; id AA06080 (5.65a/CWI-2.72); Thu, 14 Feb 91 15:17:25 +0100 Received: from presto.ig.com by uunet.uu.net (5.61/1.14) with SMTP id AA05399; Thu, 14 Feb 91 09:09:57 -0500 Received: by presto.ig.com (5.61/1.15) id AA06638; Thu, 14 Feb 91 06:08:13 -0800 Received: from Messages.7.14.N.CUILIB.3.45.SNAP.NOT.LINKED.presto.ig.com.sun3.4 via MS.5.6.presto.ig.com.sun3_4; Thu, 14 Feb 91 06:08:12 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: Date: Thu, 14 Feb 91 06:08:12 -0800 (PST) >From: Christopher Dow To: dieter@ixos.de Subject: Re: Toolkit for Open Look *and* OSF/Motif Look and Feel In-Reply-To: <1322@ixos.de> References: <1322@ixos.de> XVT Software, Inc. 1800 30th St. Box 17665 Boulder, CO 80308 USA Tel. (303)443-4223 Fax(303)443-0969 The product is called XVT, and is available for Motif now, and will be available (in beta form) for OpenLook in about two months. I've used this product and other versions of it (Mac, Windows, etc.) for two years now and love it. Good Luck Chris Dow IntelliGenetics Software Engineer 700 East El Camino Real icbmnet: 37 22' 39" N, 122 3' 32" W Mountain View, Ca. 94040 dow@presto.ig.com (415) 962-7320 Return-Path: Received: by ixos.de (sendmail 5.61) id AA08424; Thu, 14 Feb 91 18:09:54 +0100 Received: by guug.guug.de (5.57/GUUG-V3.0) id AA21562; Thu, 14 Feb 91 17:47:22 MEZ Received: from unido.Informatik.Uni-Dortmund.DE by tumuc.regent.e-technik.tu-muenchen.de with SMTP (5.61++L2/TUMUC-V3.17) id AA12942; Thu, 14 Feb 91 17:43:56 +0100 Received: from uklirb.informatik.uni-kl.de by unido.informatik.uni-dortmund.de with SMTP (UNIDO-2.0.3.e) via EUnet for tumuc.regent.e-technik.tu-muenchen.de id AA10894; Thu, 14 Feb 91 14:00:29 GMT Date: Thu, 14 Feb 91 14:50:33 MET >From: Frank Fein To: dieter@ixos.de Subject: Re: Toolkit for Open Look *and* OSF/Motif Look and Feel Message-Id: <9102141450.aa15068@uklirb.informatik.uni-kl.de> In article <1322@ixos.de> you write: >Toolkit for Open Look *and* OSF/Motif Look and Feel > >We are searching for a special toolkit for the >development of graphical user interfaces(GUI) based on the X Window System. >This toolkit should allow to get the Look and Feel of both toolkits, >namely OSF/Motif and Open Look, >out of one single applikation programming interface(API)! >We have been told, that there are existing solutions, e.g. one of the >Solbourne Company, mentioned in a product announcement of AT&T. > >Who can give information about this or other toolkits with the >described possibilities? Thank you for your answers. > Solbournes OI (Open Interface Library, wird von AT&T vertrieben, Solbourne- Vertrieb in Deutschland zum Beispiel Ractech in Bad Honnef) arbeitet mit dem Resource Manager. Der Anwender bekommt ein Objektprogramm und kann nach Lust und Laune ueber .Xdefaults bestimmen, ob er Motif oder OL moechte. Dann gibt's noch XVT (X Virtual Toolkit von Marc Rochkind et al., in Europa von Decos Software, Sandtlaan 36, NL-2223 GG Katwijk, Tel. 01718-51403 vertrie- ben). Da wird pro unterstuetzter Oberflaeche ein Objekt erstellt, indem man sich die entsprechende XVT-Library kauft und dazubindet. OI ist angeblich eher Open Look-orientiert, Motif-Support schreitet aber angeb- lich voran. Bei XVT ist es umgekehrt: dort wurde Open Look noch nicht voll un- terstuetzt. (Informationsstand: 10.90) Ausserdem gibts noch zwei neuere Produkte aus den USA, die vor kurzem hier erwaehnt wurden, mir aber leider entfallen sind :-( -- ______ Frank Fein; DFKI GmbH _/______ P.O. Box 2080 / _/_ D-6750 Kaiserslautern : +49 6 31 205-34 80 / West Germany : fein@dfki.uni-kl.de