Path: utzoo!utgpu!news-server.csri.toronto.edu!rutgers!shelby!bu.edu!wuarchive!zaphod.mps.ohio-state.edu!ub!dsinc!netnews.upenn.edu!linc.cis.upenn.edu!hardt From: hardt@linc.cis.upenn.edu (Dan Hardt) Newsgroups: trial.talk.politics.peace Subject: Re: Peace? Message-ID: <37827@netnews.upenn.edu> Date: 18 Feb 91 21:53:12 GMT References: <58120@eerie.acsu.Buffalo.EDU> <2247@njitgw.njit.edu> <10211@ncar.ucar.edu> <1991Feb7.181854.26365@jarvis.csri.toronto.edu> <10271@ncar.ucar.edu> Sender: news@netnews.upenn.edu Reply-To: hardt@linc.cis.upenn.edu (Dan Hardt) Distribution: na Organization: University of Pennsylvania Lines: 18 In article <10271@ncar.ucar.edu> strandwg@ncar.ucar.edu (Gary Strand) writes: > Suppose we had entered into that episode and done the right thing. Does that > mean that you personally would approve of the US' actions now? I doubt it, > so the whole issue of what we did and didn't do in the past doesn't affect > your current political views. It's a red herring/strawman. This is a common point of view among war supporters, which I don't think makes much sense. The avowed U.S. argument is that we went to war based on some general principles about violations of sovreignty, democratic principles, etc. The argument against this is not just that the U.S. has we been _inconsisent_ about going to war to avenge such violations -- it would be crazy to think that we should go to war whenever we judge that some country violates these principles. The point is, our policy hasn't followed such a simple (and brutal) principle, and it never will. The government just uses it to avoid a serious discussion of whether we should be at war or not. dan