Path: utzoo!censor!geac!torsqnt!news-server.csri.toronto.edu!bonnie.concordia.ca!thunder.mcrcim.mcgill.edu!snorkelwacker.mit.edu!usc!samsung!uunet!mcsun!ukc!edcastle!eomu01 From: eomu01@castle.ed.ac.uk (Hall) Newsgroups: comp.ai.philosophy Subject: Re: computer life? Message-ID: <8617@castle.ed.ac.uk> Date: 20 Feb 91 11:31:31 GMT References: <1991Feb14.135220.7790@vax1.tcd.ie> <1991Feb19.130832.9715@shiva.sci.com> <1991Feb19.163133.8664@news.larc.nasa.gov> Organization: Edinburgh University Lines: 43 The actual biological definition of a living organism can be described by the mnemonic "MERRING". Movement - O.K. so I suppose some computers (more formally robots) can be said to be able to move. Excretion - I hardly think that a computer is able to excrete metabolic waste products from itself (unless you count the endless reams of garbage that I seem to be able to get out of them)! Respiration - This is the breaking down of some form of chemical energy source. Whilst a computer may be said to require energy not many can be said to be able to make their own. Reproduction - This subject has already been touched on. It only remains (at some for me to say that I doubt that it can be said that point in its computers making other computers can be called life-cycle.) reproduction. Irritability - In other words a response can be produced by doing something to it that it doesn't like. O.K. so here is another criterion (sorry if it is spelt wrongly) that is satisfied by computers since I seem to be able to get a response quite easily (usually in the form of error messages). Nutrition - Can a computer be said to feed itself? I think not. Growth - I fail to see how a computer can be said to grow during the period of its life. At lest I have never seen a computer change in size even over several years. Have you? This may seem to be a simple form of classification, but that fact remains that for an organism to be considered to be alive (and hence a life form), it must fulfill all the above criteria (with relatively few exceptions and even then only an exception in perhaps 1 or 2 of them at a time). Above, we can see that computers fail on 5 out of the required 7 criteria, therefore I would strongly conclude that computers cannot be said to be true life-forms in any stage of development. However, people always make mistakes, so perhaps in years to come we will all be replaced by our more efficient, robotic models...who knows...? :An ardent philosopher and scientist.