Path: utzoo!utgpu!news-server.csri.toronto.edu!rutgers!cs.utexas.edu!wuarchive!uunet!mcsun!hp4nl!media01!pkr From: pkr@media01.UUCP (Peter Kriens) Newsgroups: comp.lang.smalltalk Subject: Re: Digitalk's Smalltalk/V Mac plans? Message-ID: <2102@media01.UUCP> Date: 24 Feb 91 11:23:19 GMT References: <6848@mace.cc.purdue.edu> <2044@media01.UUCP> <6861@mace.cc.purdue.edu> Reply-To: pkr@media01.UUCP (Peter Kriens) Distribution: comp Organization: Mediasystemen, Netherlands Lines: 48 >> In article <2044@media01.UUCP>, pkr@media01.UUCP (Peter Kriens) writes: >> And because the complete toolbox is accesible from Smalltalk, I wonder >> what your problems are. Could you elaborate a little bit more on your >> problems. I am quite curious. > Any procedures/functions marked [Not in ROM] do not go throught the > trap dispatcher and hence are not available from with ST/V Mac. ... deleted a lot of technical stuff that is not V/Mac > Access via traps to the toolbox is simply not adequate. I want to use > the Smalltalk language to program with. Gems like > sure don't look like Smalltalk to me. I could spend my time writing > wrappers for things that Digitalk doesn't provide, but I'd rather > spend my time solving the problems I'm interested in, not fighting > ST/V Mac. Where are the interfaces to checkboxes, radio buttons, > icons? Color windows/panes? Styled TextEdit? Heck, there's no > interface to the old TextEdit. 1. It seems a bit that you want a Smalltalk that is very dedicated to the Mac. I already think that the V/Mac is too closely coupled to the Mac environment anyway. If you are not very carefull you make code that will never run in any other Smalltalk because you use the macintosh toolbox inside smalltalk. I do not agree that you can blame digitalk for not supporting the mac environmen to the utmost. I think you can blame them more for the fact that the V, V286 and PM version all have different interfaces which make them not source compatible. Though I can understand your point that you want a dedicated mac environment, I do not think that this makes Smalltalk a toy program for the mac. 2. It seems that there are people out there that have overheard your (and mine) wishes. Acumen designed a package called Widgets. It is a toolkit that allows portable programming between dos/mac environments while they have all the goodies like checkboxes, listboxes, dialog windows and even TextEdit. I have got the mac version (beta) and it is great. It allows you to interactively edit your windows and dialogs. Look into it, the address of Acument is Acumen software 2140 Shattuck Avenue Siute 1008 Berkely CA 94704 (415) 649-0601 Peter kriens pkr@media01