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From: gclapp@javelin.es.com (Glenn Clapp)
Newsgroups: comp.os.msdos.programmer
Subject: Re: Borland C++ 2.0
Message-ID: <1991Feb21.013904.6909@javelin.es.com>
Date: 21 Feb 91 01:39:04 GMT
References: <16740@sdcc6.ucsd.edu> <26972@uflorida.cis.ufl.EDU> <1991Feb18.165403.3938@ux1.cso.uiuc.edu> <1991Feb20.130922.11605@DRD.Com>
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Organization: Evans & Sutherland Computer Corp., Salt Lake City, Utah
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In article <1991Feb20.130922.11605@DRD.Com> tdh@DRD.Com (Tom Haynes) writes:
>scott@blueeyes.kines.uiuc.edu (scott) wrote:
>} [deleted stuff]
>} 
>} It's kinda like their no-nonsense license ageement - a no-nonsense upgrade
>} policy. You other software manufacturers out there reading this, you'd do
>} well to follow Borland's fine example.
>} 
>} 
> [more deleted stuff]
>
>They caught alot of flack on this.  I really didn't like it when
>they offered upgrades to people with other compiliers for the
>same price I paid.  Did they not get the Assembler manual?
>
I'm not so sure that its a bad idea to offer upgrades to people who own
other compilers.  I've been a long time MSC user, and upgraded MANY times
at $125.00 a pop.  I figure its about $1000.00!  The original purchase
price was somewhere around $250.00.  Thats 300% more for the upgrades!
If they can get someone else's customer to switch, think of the upgrade
revenue that generates.  I'll be switching either to Zortec or BC++ Pro
(havn't decided which yet).  Why??  After all those years?  Cuz MSC
decided to go almost totally on line documentation.  WHAT A WASTE!  Way
to go Microsoft!  Have you ever heard of refering to the docs WHILE
programming?  Oh that's right, you can do all that in PWB.  WHO THE HELL
WANTS TO USE PROGRAMMER"S WORK BENCH when you've spent years gathering
and writing all your COOL utilities that do 10X more than PWB ever will
and TONS faster?  Not ME!  Oh, to be fair, they do provide SOME docs
in hardcopy format, but not really useful, more of an overview that you
stuff on a shelf and forget about... useless.  They have no excuse either,
since Microsoft docs are in a ring binder, they could at least give you
the FEW pages required to for things that have changed.  It wouldn't be
that much!   Oh, and get this... They have the gall to include an order
form for the library ref manual for another $22.50!  What?  more $$$?
Piss Off Microsoft!

If I wanted to use a "programmers environment" I'd use QuickC!  Is
MS trying to integrate the professional users with the kiddies tinkering?

Anyone else out there an anoyed as I?  SWITCH!  MSC STILL has no C++,
why wait!  BC++ supports Windows, (another $350.00 from MS!), Zortec
generates 386 code and supports VM!  Both are probably better products
that MSC.

>Anyway, when I called for my upgrade, I asked them if I got all
>the manuals, and the customer service rep said "Yes, we learned 
>our lesson."  See if Microsoft does this for you.
                      ^^^^^^^^^

Micro-screw-loyal-customers-soft

So, Microsoft, "What have you done for me lately?"



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