Path: utzoo!attcan!telly!lethe!yunexus!ists!helios.physics.utoronto.ca!news-server.csri.toronto.edu!bonnie.concordia.ca!nstn.ns.ca!news.cs.indiana.edu!samsung!caen!uwm.edu!ux1.cso.uiuc.edu!cs326ag From: cs326ag@ux1.cso.uiuc.edu (Loren J. Rittle) Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.games Subject: Re: Run (don't walk) to your store. Lemmings has been released. Message-ID: <1991Feb23.024004.27309@ux1.cso.uiuc.edu> Date: 23 Feb 91 02:40:04 GMT References: <19228@cbmvax.commodore.com> <1991Feb22.153827.29437@ux1.cso.uiuc.edu> <19242@cbmvax.commodore.com> Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana Lines: 108 In article <19242@cbmvax.commodore.com> kominetz@cbmvax.commodore.com (John Kominetz - Product Assurance) writes: >In article <1991Feb22.153827.29437@ux1.cso.uiuc.edu> cs326ag@ux1.cso.uiuc.edu (Loren J. Rittle) writes: >>In article <19228@cbmvax.commodore.com> kominetz@cbmvax.commodore.com (John Kominetz - Product Assurance) writes: >>> Software manufacturers will produce their software for the most >>>common configuration of each system. An Electronic Arts Rep said that... >>Come on, you work for C=, you above most others should know by now >>that it is easier to *support* a HD, than to *not support* a HD on > Learn to read. Their behavior won't change just because it's easier to >do something a particular way--they must have a reason to change. A good reason >would be that most Amiga owners have hard drives (but don't) and want this >feature. Humm, last time I checked I knew how to read... [Let's keep the personal slams out of this discussion please...] The *most* common configuration on the amiga is one that supports *all* standard Amiga devices. I agree that if we were talking about some fancy wiz-bang graphic board, you might have a point. But it takes no work to support all Amiga File System Devices. It would be as you describe, if you had to have special code to handle different devices (ie, the early PC days...). >>>registered owners' responses, your boycott not only deprives you of good >>>software but insures that manufacturers won't change their behavior. >>This is the biggest line of BS I've ever heard related to this > Rephrased: A loud, annoying minority isn't a factor in what and how a >company produces goods. I still disagree, me buying their product says, ``Yup, I like what you are doing.'' Not buying and telling them why gets a point across. >>> First, the goal of copy protection is to discourage the common user >>>from reproducing the software. No protection method will stop a good >>Humm, last time I checked the lookup the word in the manual method >>worked quite well. At least many US game makers are using it now... > ...and key disks and disk copy protection. Nobody is thrilled with disk >copy protection, but unless it gronks my drive to death, I'll put up with >it for a game like Lemmings. Name the US game makers still using key disks and disk copy protection. I'll bet I could come up with a longer list of companies using the manual method. >>> Second, no analogy to the current PC market is valid. With 20+ million >The same thing happens in the PC market: A few people have had VGA adapters >for years and have always complained about having no support for it in the >games. Now that VGA is common in cheap MSDOS machines, the games are starting >to support it. No magic involved, and no shouting fits either. Yes, in a way, I see your point, and I will now use it to my advantage: You are right, no analogy to the PC market is valid. Back when VGA was new and had to have special code in every application that used it, you are right - not many applications supported it. But on the Amiga due to it's nice OS, any application or game can support all Filing System Devices with no extra code. ``No magic involved.'' You nicely sidestepped a point I brought up in my last message and I would like a response from you on it: I stated the main reason games on the Amiga were not HD installable was for CP reasons. Do you agree or disagree with this statement? >>>Lemmings, and your attitude will certainly not improve the situation for >>>anyone in the Amiga Community. >>No, you got it backwards again, the situation won't improve unless >>people like me keep keep my attitude. People with your attitude >>are just riding along with the status quo. > Will your attitude convince A500C owners to buy hard drives? Since we >make the A590, we'd be terribly grateful if you could manage this feat. You'd >get the software you want, and we'd get the sales we want. I, of course, would recommend the GVP as it is what I have been using on my A2000 for two years now. I hope all these A500C owners don't need too much convincing, as my hard drive controller can load the amount of data stored on one floppy in one second. >>``NewTek stated that the Toaster *would not* be made to directly support the >> Mac, at this point Sculley stormed out of the booth...'' -A scene at the >> recent MacExpo. Gee, you wouldn't think that an Apple Exec would be so >> worried about one little Amiga Device... Loren J. Rittle l-rittle@uiuc.edu > > And a Mac basher as well from the look of it. How predictable. Not that I have to defend myself, but... The above is not Mac bashing. The above event really happened - I'm just commenting on it. Where do you even see the Mac mentioned? This is pointing out how people are starting to notice the Amiga after five years (or had you not noticed?). No actually, it would be predictable if I were on your side of this argument. It's usually the 16 year old with a HD-less system that would not care if a program was HD installable and system friendly. As a programmer and as one who believes in order (and thus OS friendly programs) it saddens me to see people trash the OS for no good reason. Does it not bother you, as a C= employee, that game maker are throwing away the OS? > John Kominetz > >disclaimer: These are my opinions and may not reflect those of Commodore. When will the above say Sony instead :-)? Loren J. Rittle -- ``NewTek stated that the Toaster *would not* be made to directly support the Mac, at this point Sculley stormed out of the booth...'' -A scene at the recent MacExpo. Gee, you wouldn't think that an Apple Exec would be so worried about one little Amiga Device... Loren J. Rittle l-rittle@uiuc.edu