Path: utzoo!utgpu!news-server.csri.toronto.edu!cs.utexas.edu!uunet!tut.cis.ohio-state.edu!pacific.mps.ohio-state.edu!linac!midway!gargoyle!chinet!laird From: laird@chinet.chi.il.us (Laird J. Heal) Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.programmer Subject: Re: Beta and E.T.O. (Apple crispies) Summary: E.T.O. could be yours, just $995 Message-ID: <1991Feb23.130017.1095@chinet.chi.il.us> Date: 23 Feb 91 13:00:17 GMT References: <51123@cci632.UUCP> <49117@apple.Apple.COM> <1991Feb13.131117.1@gsbacd.uchicago.edu> <1991Feb19.112326.7404@chinet.chi.il.us> Organization: Chinet - Chicago Public Access UNIX Lines: 31 In article <51123@cci632.UUCP> ph@cci632.UUCP (Pete Hoch) writes >> jordan@Apple.COM (Jordan Mattson) writes >>> [...] E.T.O. >>>is the product for you. For $300.00 a year, you stay current with the latest >>>and greatest from Apple. I highly recommend that you [...] go for E.T.O. >laird@chinet.chi.il.us (Laird J. Heal) writes: >> ***FLAME ON*** >> For $300/yr, I highly recommend that you put finals on E.T.O. How can we >> justify such a cost for unfinished software, just because there is room >> on the media? How can we justify the time to wade through and discover >> what is worth our time to use? >> ***FLAME OFF*** I did some more checking and the beta versions advertised in the APDAlog are those of the finals constituting the meat of E.T.O. So the practice seems justified, although personally I find enough bugs in the *finals* that I do not need to check out the *betas*. Go into the MPW Shell and type Catenate "{Active}".$ select that line, and hit Enter or meta-Return (or mouseDown in the lower-left of the Active window). or see that if "Regular-Expression" =~ /([-a-zA-Z]+)1/ echo "Regular {1}" else echo "Irregular {1}" end echo "{1}" shows that regular expression parsing in the Shell is durable but while the Find command is "built-in" Find /([-a-zA-Z]+){1}/ echo "{1}" shows that regular expression parsing in the Find command does not behave the same way as in the if-test. Gee, another one: I tried to replace "" with the single keystroke (option-r) and was told "Out of memory". So I tested my examples after cutting and pasting. Replace // "" failed too. However, ***FLAME ON*** I did some more checking and the price (in the Fall APDAlog) is not $300/yr but rather $995. That's right, a cool G. Oh, that does include *four* CD disks, one for each season, but remember, as the APDAlog states, _this_is_a_ _single_user_product_. In my case, since I personally have purchased MPW C and Pascal, I could get a discount; would my very old version of MacApp count? I have little use either for it or C++ except to cobble a primrose object-oriented path. I query how any one user would want to use both MPW C (or C++) and Object Pascal MacApp. Pascal and C are nice to have but their side branches start to become a bit specialized. So Apple charges us $20/yr for that advertising circular they call the APDAlog, and, to be a bit unfair, also charges us $300/yr so we can review their beta software for them? ***FLAMING ON*** I consider the original article a blatant advertisement, and I wish that when such messages appear on the net they can at least set things straight. ***FLAME OFF*** Jordan has every right to feel proud of Apple, especially but not just as his employer, as I have every right to feel critical, especially but not just because access to beta software and developer information in general used to be easier. We have to say things forthrightly on the net, because only so many words fit on a page. I would have no problems buying Jordan a drink if he will come to Boston for the Expo - that way it won't have to be carrot juice. >As a subscriber from ETO #1 I can say that it contains all the latest >final versions of MPW, MPW C, MPW C++, MPW Assembler, MPW Pascal, MacApp, >and probably other things I can't remember. My point precisely - who has the time to look through all of that stuff? Well, that is not fair: after 10+years in the mainframe world I could pull stuff out of my hat that other folks could never guess at; and after 6+ years with Inside Mac under my pillow I find myself doing the same thing. -- Laird J. Heal The Usenet is dead! Here: laird@chinet.chi.il.us Long live the Usenet!