Xref: utzoo sci.med.aids:2641 soc.motss:46096 Path: utzoo!utgpu!news-server.csri.toronto.edu!bonnie.concordia.ca!uunet!cs.utexas.edu!swrinde!zaphod.mps.ohio-state.edu!usc!orion.oac.uci.edu!ucivax!ucla-cs!usenet From: bob@ozdaltx.UUCP (Bob Culmer) Newsgroups: sci.med.aids,soc.motss Subject: Re: HIV Vaccine Causes Faulty Infection Diagnosis. Summary: Insurance co probably being consistent this time Message-ID: <1991Feb25.022622.28240@cs.ucla.edu> Date: 23 Feb 91 19:45:52 GMT References: <1991Feb21.135348.18416@cs.ucla.edu> <1991Feb22.172133.18671@cs.ucla.edu> Sender: usenet@cs.ucla.edu (Mr. News Himself) Followup-To: sci.med.aids Organization: AIDS INFO EXCG/OZ BBS - Dallas, TX Lines: 41 Approved: ddodell@stjhmc.fidonet.org (David Dodell) Note: non-commercial reproduction. Nntp-Posting-Host: squid.cs.ucla.edu Archive-Number: 3034 In article <1991Feb22.172133.18671@cs.ucla.edu>, dgreen@lanai.cs.ucla.edu (Dan R. Greening) writes: > > If the insurance company is to be > believed, they do not insure anyone that they know is involved in any > experimental drug/vaccine study. The insurance company told him that he > would be able to obtain insurance after the conclusion of the study, > however. I don't know that this is necessarily a gay-male discrimination > thing, though that may be my naivete showing. I have worked in the area of employee benefits for nearly 20 years and in that time known a lot of insurance people, policies and the reasoning behind them. This time, they are probably being consistent and accurate. There are actuarily unknown risks associated with being in any experimental study - if they were known it wouldn't be experimental, eh? And of course the insurance company only makes its money by playing the "house" in a "gambling game" where the "odds" (actuarial rates of disease, disability, death) are known. There are two things I would be concerned about, though. After the study is over, presumably a lesser though similar unknown risk profile exists, how will this be addressed? What information will the insurance company want (and can it be had? is it a reasonable/feasible or even "doable" request?) to insure him? This would certainly be true of any experimental study - especially one involving a vaccine, more especially one for a disease with a long "latency" or "incubation" period (whichever is the more correct). And the second is what I believe you mentioned, they will likely presume he is gay from being in the study - and they are a conservative lot by and large. This last could make them be a little more concerned about the first "concern". (I do so love to turn a twisted phrase.) But to the -- Bob Culmer - Dallas | Oh I could tell you why Somewhere over the rainbow | the ocean's near the shore... ...in the Land of OZ | If I only had a brain. {mic,void,egsner}!ozdaltx!bob