Path: utzoo!censor!geac!torsqnt!news-server.csri.toronto.edu!cs.utexas.edu!asuvax!ncar!csn!yertle.Colorado.EDU!raney From: raney@yertle.Colorado.EDU (Scott Raney) Newsgroups: comp.windows.x Subject: Re: GUI WARS! Message-ID: <1991Mar1.210030.26900@csn.org> Date: 1 Mar 91 21:00:30 GMT References: <22979@hydra.gatech.EDU> <1991Feb28.003512.9980@dsd.es.com> <6362@auspex.auspex.com> Sender: news@csn.org (news) Organization: University of Colorado, Boulder Lines: 34 Nntp-Posting-Host: yertle.colorado.edu In response to the comment that Motif and Open Look are not windowing systems and should be able to run on vanilla X, I must point out that it may not be as simple as that. One thing that has bitten me a number of times is that both Open Look and Motif require parts that are not included in the base X. For example, Open Look requires a special glyph font to draw its rounded-rectangle buttons. If the font isn't loaded in the server, the app won't run (I've run into this several times, and usually the machines are controlled by different departments so nothing can be done about it.). Motif requires a special file to remap keysyms. Again, if you don't have it you'll have problems. With 20-20 hindsight, it seems to me the problem is due to MIT's "no policy" philosophy. In my opinion these problems, which are getting worse every day, could have been avoided had MIT not been so reluctant to take a stand. I don't really think it matters which look and feel is used, what is important that it be the same everywhere. But it's too late now. The best examples of standards are those that are de facto, and not the result of long commercial battles, or long reviewing periods by standards organizations. The take home lesson: when producing a new product, especially one that requires a new technology, don't be timid about specifying the interfaces and annointing them as the standard. Even if you make mistakes, and parts must be redone, the community of users will be better off in the long run. -- ====================================================================== Scott Raney No other person or organization raney@gabor.colorado.edu can be held responsible for my (303)499-9855 opinions or actions