Path: utzoo!utgpu!news-server.csri.toronto.edu!cs.utexas.edu!wuarchive!sdd.hp.com!samsung!olivea!oliveb!bunker!hcap!hnews!203!11!Vixen From: Vixen@f11.n203.z1.fidonet.org (Vixen) Newsgroups: misc.handicap Subject: Re: GOOD TEACHERS VS. BAD ONES Message-ID: <17958@bunker.UUCP> Date: 1 Mar 91 04:21:48 GMT Sender: wtm@bunker.UUCP Reply-To: Vixen@f11.n203.z1.fidonet.org Distribution: misc Organization: FidoNet node 1:203/11 - The Broken Rose BBS, Sacramento CA Lines: 69 Approved: wtm@bunker.UUCP Index Number: 13807 [This is from the Silent Talk Conference] Hi Fran, Well, as a Visually and hearing impaired person, it is probably no surprise to anyone when I say that my sending skills are better than my receiving skills. Such being the case, those who will only sign with others who can sign at ninety miles per hour, often don't have the time of day for me, whether deaf or hearing! Those types exist on both sides. It hurt me at first, the moreso, since most of my loss has occured over the last year and a half and as you can imagine, I am still dealing with a lot of feelings and am "hyper-aware" of how both deaf and hearing people deal with me. But now, I am begining to believe that if a person has no time for me because I am physically forced to be a "slow signer" then maybe that person is'nt so hot in the first place and I don't need to know them. This is why I seem to detect that little bit of Elitism or Self perceived superiorty when others berate those who are not as well educated in sign as they might be. One may as well berate people who are speech impaired or maybe a new American who has not learned a great deal of the English language, because it might take a little time and patience to communicate effectively. It seems a form of bigotry to me. I know that my instructors recommend "mirror practice" for those who do not have the opportunity to use their ASL out in the real world on a frequent basis. Unfortunately, while I do have some very close up useable vision, mirrors will not work for me. It has been suggested that then, I might just want to sign when talking even to hearing people. I suppose that would be good as it would force me into working with ASL syntax while speaking English. However, my experience is that my hearing non signing friends are not very comfortable with that. One of my closest friends // helpers who has some limited signing ability himself is far to "self conscious" to even use his own sign with me! Now, don't judge too harshly since he really does have a good good heart but he is so self conscious and I suspect that either his or my signing would bring him unwanted notice. Well as a "born hearie" , I am sure that I will not and do not sign as though I were born to it either. In fact, I would'nt be surprised if my ASL sometimes comes out more like Signed English at times. Although, I try to use ASL syntax. For those who really wish to communicate with us as people without first making a value assesment of us based on our signing skills, I know that ASL not being our native language or "signing with an accent" will be of little import. I guess it is simply a matter of accepting people for what they are. I don't know Fran, since I go for long periods without using sign and you must receive from Mary regularly, I would'nt be so sure that my skills are up 100 per cent over yours! I somwetimes wonder just how much I retain through long periods without using it. But you defintely do lose it through nonuse! Thank goodness for fingerspelling at such times!. Keepin' the faith! . Vixen ..."Quack quack!" -- Uucp: ..!{decvax,oliveb}!bunker!hcap!hnews!203!11!Vixen Internet: Vixen@f11.n203.z1.fidonet.org