Path: utzoo!utgpu!news-server.csri.toronto.edu!cs.utexas.edu!sun-barr!rutgers!maverick.ksu.ksu.edu!ux1.cso.uiuc.edu!bryans From: bryans@ux1.cso.uiuc.edu (B. Charles Siegfried) Newsgroups: sci.bio Subject: Re: Killing for fun Message-ID: <1991Feb26.233912.22132@ux1.cso.uiuc.edu> Date: 26 Feb 91 23:39:12 GMT References: <1991Feb26.202248.26171@odin.corp.sgi.com> Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana Lines: 24 milt@sgi.com (Milton E. Tinkoff) writes: >I've been told that there is only one animal (besides >humans) that kills for recreational purposes. If this >animal exists, what is it? Toying with prey and then >eating it or leaving it as a gift (house cats) doesn't >count. Seems to me that this question has two big fallacies: One, it assumes that there are other animals smart enough to actually separate recreational activities from its daily life or that we can determine such recreational activity. We discover how behaviors are integral to behavior all of the time. I doubt we can conclusively determine whether or not any animal activity is recreational. Secondly, you discount any playing with unwanted prey. doesn't it seem like if a cat kills a mouse when in fact it isn't hungry, that might be a recreational activity? Maybe its just instinct - maybe its recreation - how can we tell? (See above). __ Bryan Siegfried zig@uiuc.edu