Path: utzoo!news-server.csri.toronto.edu!cs.utexas.edu!uunet!hayes!tnixon From: tnixon@hayes.uucp Newsgroups: comp.dcom.fax Subject: Re: Fax Quality Message-ID: <3833.27d6468f@hayes.uucp> Date: 7 Mar 91 13:56:31 GMT References: <7120@emory.mathcs.emory.edu> Organization: Hayes Microcomputer Products, Norcross, GA Lines: 34 In article <7120@emory.mathcs.emory.edu>, km@mathcs.emory.edu (Ken Mandelberg) writes: > What is the norm for errors per page in Fax reception? I rarely see > fewer than 5 bad scan lines per page, and often substantially more. > The same telephone line seems to do fine for data modems, even high > speed ones (V.32, PEP). CCITT T.30 leaves it totally up to the designer of the fax machine to answer the question "is the copy quality good enough?". This applies both to the initial measurements of the quality of the circuit (when the machines are deciding which modulation scheme to use) and to the actual transmission of the images. Thus, you'll see a wide variety of behavior between products from different manufacturers with regard to what speed they'll select on a given circuit, etc. You'll also see a significant difference between V.32 and 9600bps fax on the same quality phone line. Because of trellis coding, V.32 can tolerate about 4dB worse signal-to-noise ratio and achieve the same bit error rate as V.29. If your circuit is only fair, you might very well see good performance with V.32, and not so good with V.29 (the high-speed modulation scheme used in most Group 3 machines, which doesn't have trellis coding). The latest extension to Group 3 adds "V.17" modulation, which includes trellis coding at 7200, 9600, 12000, and 14400. When V.17 capability becomes more widespread, you'll see faxes with fewer bad lines in addition to being just faster. -- Toby Nixon, Principal Engineer | Voice +1-404-840-9200 Telex 151243420 Hayes Microcomputer Products Inc. | Fax +1-404-447-0178 CIS 70271,404 P.O. Box 105203 | UUCP uunet!hayes!tnixon AT&T !tnixon Atlanta, Georgia 30348 USA | Internet hayes!tnixon@uunet.uu.net