Xref: utzoo comp.sys.atari.st:35781 comp.graphics:16330 comp.graphics.visualization:310 Path: utzoo!news-server.csri.toronto.edu!cs.utexas.edu!rice!uw-beaver!milton!sumax!csc23042 From: csc23042@sumax.seattleu.edu (Dave Jorgan) Newsgroups: comp.sys.atari.st,comp.graphics,comp.graphics.visualization Subject: Re: Toaster & ST (was: re: LEXICOLOR, Atari TT/030,... Message-ID: <2394@sumax.seattleu.edu> Date: 5 Mar 91 02:01:19 GMT References: <17526@milton.u.washington.edu> <1991Mar4.210336.5415@cc.helsinki.fi> <17671@milton.u.washington.edu> Organization: Seattle University, Seattle WA Lines: 79 In article <17671@milton.u.washington.edu> ramsiri@blake.u.washington.edu (Enartloc Nhoj) writes: > >In article <1991Mar4.210336.5415@cc.helsinki.fi> lindblad@cc.helsinki.fi writes: **********Toaster-to-ST comments deleted****************************** >>fewer STs on professional use than Amigas. I don't think that Toaster will ever >>be reconstructed to any other machine but Amiga 3000 since they won't even >>reconstruct it for IBM PC or compatibles. The reason is simple: Amiga is most >>suitable for videowork of all major personal computers (well, NeXT may be as >>good as Amiga). Toaster for ST/TT is reality only in your imagination. And >>will be. >> Jarkko Lindblad >> lindblad@cc.helsinki.fi >Well, for one, the ATARI TT/030 is opening up new markets for ATARI. >As you might know, Europe, and Germany in particular, is loaded with >ATARIs, not AMIGAS.. perhaps the third party co that is doing the >marriage between the Toaster and the TT is shooting for that market. >In any event, NewTek is cooperating with the port. > >Why are Amiga owners threatened by the possiblity that >the Toaster might be running on another platform? >Does this make the Toaster running on the Amiga any less >useful? I don't get it? > >If someone is wants go buy an AMiga, they will buy it. >If someone wants to buy a TT and a Video Toaster, they'll >buy it. And everyone can be happy. I really don't see >why Amiga owners don't want to see hardware developed for >other machines. It is a very strange concept. I use NOTATOR >on the ST.. i wish it were running on Macs and AMigas.. >just so that friends, who own these other systems, and I could >share music a bit more freely. > >Are mac people freaked out that Aldus ported Pagemaker to MS-dos? >Should ST people be freaked out that PageStream was ported to the >Amiga? I honestly don't care?.. if anything, am pleased that >AMiga owners have the option of using PageStream if they choose. > >Still don't get it.. > >kevin >ramsiri@blake.acs.washington.edu Speaking for myself, the point I was making was that this story is more than a little incredible. Considering how militant NewTek is concerning the Amiga, and the way they stiff-armed IBM and Apple (story was that Sculley was very angry after he learned NewTek had no intention whatsoever to move the Toaster over to Mac), it is hard to believe that suddenly they have decided to support a much smaller market than those mentioned above. Irregardless of the ST/Amiga debates, the reason the Toaster is on the Amiga is because it uses/needs the custom chipset of the Amiga. It is not just a plug-in peripheral that can be adapted to any host just by modifying the form factor or some connection changes. Seeing as how the vast majority of ST's have been sold with no form of expansion bus ( unless you count the cartridge port) this makes it harder to understand how this device will be transferred over. The re- engineering needed to do so would seem to imply it will be longer than "within the year." But, I defer to any EE's who will claim otherwise. :^) Also, it needs at least 5 megs RAM, and current ST's (not the TT, of course) are limited to 4 megs (unless you go on the Mega expansion bus- don't know if anybody has done this or not.) If we are speaking of the TT, then I would have to say the existing installed base of TT's is most likely not large. I don't think I am being unfair when I say this. Anyway, it would be neat if the ST also got the Toaster. For reasons I have listed, it seems unlikely to me. In light of the attitude and mud-slinging the Lexicor man did, it seems even less likely this is the case. (In fact, this is the main reason why I think this is a false rumor.) But stranger things have happened, and if it indeed comes out for the ST, then that will be very good news indeed, because this is a very powerful peripheral. If sombody wants it bad enough, they'll do it. Dave csc23042@sumax.seattleu.edu