Path: utzoo!news-server.csri.toronto.edu!cs.utexas.edu!wuarchive!zaphod.mps.ohio-state.edu!casbah.acns.nwu.edu!accuvax.nwu.edu!delta.eecs.nwu.edu!kaufman From: kaufman@delta.eecs.nwu.edu (Michael L. Kaufman) Newsgroups: comp.sys.handhelds Subject: Re: Thrown out HP's... Message-ID: <16908@accuvax.nwu.edu> Date: 3 Mar 91 07:04:56 GMT References: <99036CAFC00032A2@gacvx2.gac.edu> <7360085@hpfcso.FC.HP.COM> Sender: news@accuvax.nwu.edu Organization: EECS Department, Northwestern University Lines: 44 In article <7360085@hpfcso.FC.HP.COM> rrd@hpfcso.FC.HP.COM (Ray Depew) writes: >Like I said, if the bugs really have bitten you, and they seriously impact >your work, then by all means get the machine replaced. What I object to is >the people who haven't been bitten badly by the bugs, and never will, and yet >they send their calculators in anyway just to get the latest ROM Rev. I am one of the people who has never been bitten by a bug, and yes, I sent back my 48 for the latest version. I did it because I use my calculator for all sorts of different things, and a year or so down the line, I didn't want to have to remember what bugs existed. For example, I don't do anything with polar coordinates now, but I may start in a year. Is it my job to remember which bugs exist, or should I get the most bug-free machine I can get? >I don't care if the vendor is HP or TI or Casio, anybody sitting on the >outside can see that the vendor is getting systematically *screwed* by these >people. Most of the postings on this subject have been on how to convince HP >that you really deserve a new calculator. I don't understand this. How is HP being screwed? They released a machine with some bugs in it. They also intentionally sold the machine with known bugs. We know that this is true since my revision B had a sheet that talked about the bugs in later revisions. You might say that the early buyers were the ones that were screwed. I wouldn't say this because HP is trading up, but how is HP being screwed when people take them up on their offer? And I understand why people try to convince HP. Should they wait until some work is meesed up, or upgrade now while the offer stands? >It reminds me of all those "How to get out of a traffic ticket when you know >they got you dead to rights" articles you see in _Car_and_Driver_! This anology I do not understand. Someone who is cought speeding has done someting wrong, and he does something else wrong to get out of it. What is the thing that the consumer has done wrong that he is trying to get out of? Michael -- Michael Kaufman | I've seen things you people wouldn't believe. Attack ships on kaufman | fire off the shoulder of Orion. I watched C-beams glitter in @eecs.nwu.edu | the dark near the Tannhauser gate. All those moments will be | lost in time - like tears in rain. Time to die. Roy Batty