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From: evan@telly.on.ca (Evan Leibovitch)
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Subject: 2nd CFV and VOTE ACK: comp.apps hierarchy
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Date: 6 Mar 91 03:02:56 GMT
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[ The last day for this vote is scheduled to be 10 March.  --- tale ]

This is a second call for votes (and an acknowledgement of votes
received to date) regarding the creation of a new Usenet hierarchy
to deal with applications, and the first three groups to fill it:

comp.apps.misc
comp.apps.wp.wordperfect
comp.apps.wp.misc

All groups are to be unmoderated.

PURPOSE:

There have been considerable postings about the desire for a proper
place in the Usenet hierarchy in which to place newsgroups devoted to
specific application software packages.

That a certain software package is brain-dead or not cannot be the issue
at all. If there are enough Usenetters around who want to talk about it,
trade tips, and generally provide peer support, there should be a place
on Usenet to provide that forum. If brain-deadness was a criteria for
creating groups, then half of what's in comp.sys and comp.os shouldn't
exist :-). It could be easily argued that the most brain-dead programs
are the ones *most* in need of a Usenet forum!

My proposal is to provide the first groups, to demonstrate the desired
precedent of comp.apps.<category>.<productname>, as well as .misc groups
to take up the slack.

comp.apps.wp.wordperfect	To discuss the word processing products
				of WordPerfect Corporation.

comp.apps.wp.misc		To discuss other word processing software.

comp.apps.misc			To discuss applications not provided for
				elsewhere in the comp.apps hierarchy.

The first specific group proposed is for WordPerfect, because it's been
mentioned specifically in much of the discussions about applications
newsgroups, and because it just happens to be a popular product on both
MS-DOS and UNIX platforms. It's a good example of what should be in an
applications hierarchy.

If there are enough postings/supporters in the misc group(s) for another
product, then its supporters can hold a vote here, to create a new group
in the apps hierarchy using the same <category>.<productname> structure.

HISTORY:

There has already been much discussion about the specific naming scheme
proposed above. This proposal is a combination of majority rule and
consensus among the many messages that were mailed and posted on the
subject during June and December 1990. The last Call for Discussion was
held Jan 14, and generated very little because it's all been discussed
to death already.

PROCEDURE:

The three groups are to be voted on together. I am not interested in
seeing the comp.apps level created without an orderly way of putting
groups underneath it.

Please send your yes or no vote to

apps@telly.on.ca

Please say whether your vote is "yes" or "no" for the hierarchy, in the
subject line of your message. Votes mailed to be personally will be
included but votes which are posted will not be recognized.

Thank you.

Votes collected so far from:

<dlindsle@blackbird.afit.af.mil>
<eoshaugh@NMSU.Edu>
<mackeown@compsci.bristol.ac.uk>
<miron@cs.sfu.ca>
<rick@crick.ssctr.bcm.tmc.edu>
ARUSSELL@oavax.csuchico.edu
Angus.Fox@UK.Sun.COM (Angus Fox - Sun EHQ - SITKA)
Art Nicolaysen <art@wciu.edu>
Bill Sommerfeld <wesommer@ATHENA.MIT.EDU>
Bob Sloane <SLOANE@kuhub.cc.ukans.edu>
Brian Carlton <bdc@bdcsys.suvl.ca.us>
Conor O'Neill <conor@inmos.com>
Craig <bryden@freezer.acs.udel.edu>
Cyberpixie <durrell@umaxc.weeg.uiowa.edu>
David Aston <DYAEB%SLACVM.bitnet@ugw.utcs.utoronto.ca>
David Bedno <davidbe@sco.COM>
David James <vnend@Princeton.EDU>
David Neal Miller <dnmiller@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu>
Dean W. Bettinger (315/443-1070) <dean@suvm.acs.syr.edu>
Ed McGuire <emcguire@cadfx.ccad.uiowa.edu>
Ethan Lish of THINC <thinc!ethan@uunet.uucp>
Evan James Torrie <torrie@Neon.Stanford.EDU>
Finlay <comqbjf@hatfield.ac.uk>
Gisle Hannemyr <gisle@ifi.uio.no>
Gregory R Weiss <grweiss@phoenix.Princeton.EDU>
J.D. Baldwin <baldwin@cad.usna.mil>
John Lacey <basho!john@cis.ohio-state.edu>
Jordan Brown <jbrown@prodnet.la.locus.com>
Kris Hampel <kris@sst.physics.imperial.ac.uk>
LVRON@EARTH.LERC.NASA.GOV (Ron Graham)
Marc Heijligers <rcbamhl@urc.tue.nl>
Marc Roussel <mroussel@alchemy.chem.utoronto.ca>
Mark Phaedrus <phaedrus@milton.u.washington.edu>
Matthias Urlichs <urlichs%smurf.sub.org@RELAY.CS.NET>
Rich Salz <rsalz@bbn.com>
Rob McMahon <cudcv@cu.warwick.ac.uk>
Roger Fulton <roger@wrq.com>
SOCQH@jetson.uh.edu
Stan Barber <sob@academ.com>
Stan Barber <sob@tmc.edu>
Steve Anderson <stevea@prodnet.la.locus.com>
Steve Elias <eli@PWS.BULL.COM>
Stewart Tansley <D.S.W.Tansley@stl.stc.co.uk>
Terry Poot <tp@mccall.com>
The Man Who Invented Himself <stewarte@sco.COM>
Tom Christiansen <tchrist@pixel.convex.com>
Tom Haapanen <tom@mims-iris.uwaterloo.ca>
Wilson Chan <W0CHAN01%ulkyvx.bitnet@ugw.utcs.utoronto.ca>
appel@scam.Berkeley.EDU (Shannon D. Appel)
barnyard!eric@uunet.uucp (Eric Bovell)
brehob@ecn.purdue.edu (Wayne's World)
cam@cogsys.uucp
cdr@brahms.AMD.COM (Carl Rigney)
cew@venera.isi.edu (Craig E. Ward)
cgy@cs.brown.edu (Curtis Yarvin)
claris!outpost!peirce@ames.arc.nasa.gov (Michael Peirce)
danno@eleazar.dartmouth.edu (Danno)
david@elroy.Jpl.Nasa.Gov (David Robinson)
ddj@zardoz.club.cc.cmu.edu (Doug DeJulio)
dgil@pa.reuter.com (Dave Gillett)
dnadler@ncrsoph.sophia.ncr.fr
drl@msc.edu (Dennis Lienke)
eao@mvucl.att.com (Eric A Olson)
edhew@xenitec.on.ca (Ed Hew)
elder@SCTC.COM (Alex Elder)
emv@ox.com (Ed Vielmetti)
eps@toaster.SFSU.EDU (Eric P. Scott)
face@Arizona.edu (Chris 'Face' Janton)
fitz@wang.com (Tom Fitzgerald)
fk@rci.dk (Flemming Kraglund)
fr@icdi10.COMPU.COM (Fred Rump from home)
frost@helix.nih.gov (James P. Goltz)
gibbsm@ll.mit.edu (Margaret D. Gibbs)
gsm@PWS.BULL.COM
guido@cwi.nl
hendin@kepler.harvard.edu (Neil Hendin)
hpa@casbah.acns.nwu.edu (Peter Anvin)
hpbrown@physics.watstar.uwaterloo.ca
hrose@cs.bu.edu
jfg@caen.engin.umich.edu (Jon Grantham)
josh@ATHENA.MIT.EDU
jreinert@informatik.uni-kl.de
jstuart@mcs.kent.edu
karl@robot.in-berlin.de (Karl-P. Huestegge)
kebera@alzabo.ocunix.on.ca (Krishna E. Bera)
ked01@juts.ccc.amdahl.com (Kim DeVaughn)
kenney@hsi86.hsi.com (Brian Kenney)
kevinc@cs.athabascau.ca (Kevin Crocker)
kremer@cs.utwente.nl (Harro Kremer)
krezel@dtoa1.dt.navy.mil (Bob Krezel)
kris@tpki.toppoint.de (Kristian Koehntopp)
kstock@gouldfr.encore.fr (Kevin STOCK - MIS (Compta))
lmag@z.amu.se (Lars Magnusson - AMUZ (csh))
matth@progress.COM (Matthew J. Harper)
mcr@Sandelman.OCUnix.On.Ca (Michael Richardson)
mickey@unssun.nevada.edu (Dale Rogers)
mindlink!Rick_McCormack@van-bc.uucp (Rick McCormack)
mondy!mdm@rex.cs.tulane.edu (Michael D. Mondy)
msb@sq.com (Mark Brader)
mxmora@unix.sri.com (Matt Mora)
nelson@berlioz.nsc.com (Taed Nelson)
nominil!linimon@cs.utexas.edu (Mark Linimon)
npn@sirius.att.com
paulg@tplrd.tpl.oz.AU (Paul Gittings)
pegah@cps.msu.edu (Mahmoud Pegah)
peter@taronga.hackercorp.com (Peter da Silva)
pnessutt@dmshq.mn.org (Bob Monio)
raymond@math.berkeley.edu (Raymond Chen)
rk@theep.uucp (Robert A. Kukura)
saal@floyd.att.com (Sam Saal)
scs@adam.mit.edu (Steve Summit)
steen@kiku.dk (Steen Hammerum)
stu@valinor.uucp (Stuart L Labovitz)
swan@PWS.BULL.COM (Joel Swan)
tct!chip@uunet.uucp (Chip Salzenberg)
timr@gssc.gss.com (Tim Roberts)
tpfender@ucsd.edu
uflorida!rm1!bapat@gatech.uucp (Subodh Bapat)
uunet!consult!bob@uunet.uucp
uunet!nixbur!koerber.sin@uunet.uucp
vavra@s5000.RSVL.UNISYS.COM
wald@theory.lcs.mit.edu (David Wald)
wargaski@lex.ling.nwu.edu (Robert E. Wargaski Jr.)
wichers@husc9.harvard.edu (John Wichers)
wlb@progress.COM (Warren Bare)
Ed Tecot <momenta.ARPA!atari!com!tecot>
anton@analsyn.UUCP (Anton J Aylward)
chinacat.unicom.com!chip (Chip Rosenthal)
jmm@eci386 (John Macdonald)
uunet!apex!jakem
-- 
 Evan Leibovitch, Sound Software, located in beautiful Brampton, Ontario
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