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From: mwizard@eecs.cs.pdx.edu (Craig Nelson)
Newsgroups: comp.windows.ms.programmer
Subject: Neville, alias superman
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Date: 4 Mar 91 11:35:12 GMT
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>>In article <1845@pdxgate.UUCP> you write:
>>
>>	OK, programmers, I need help, and I need it fast.  Win 3.0 just
>>crashed on me about 20 minutes ago.  I have a 40 page report due in about
>>36 hours and it's written in Word for windows.  I don't turn in that report
>>and I'm screwed.  I don't graduate

>Sorry, but I couldn't resist flaming you!  What a totally ridiculous request
>of a programmer.  Readers of this group couldn't care less about why your copy
>of windows crashes - you should not have posted such a request to this group.

>As a programmer I can tell you we have no magical power to immediately track 
>down and solve all problems.  We spend a minimum 4 years in university and
>do not emerge as catch-all experts.  We learn programming computers in various
>languages, not how to play with windows.

>This is not to say we may not be able to help you.  As a consultant I would
>be happy to help you solve your problem.  I generally charge $50/hr for
>intersting programming work, $80/hr for mindless junk (such as your problem).

>And as for getting your report completed and turned in 36 hours from now, all
>I can say is I won't feel sorry for you if you don't make it.  That may well
>be the sympathy you get from your prof for leaving it to the last minute.

>Neville



	Flaming me ?  Where the hell are you from, a beached ship-wreck ?  I
did not demand, nor even suggest a demand from any programmer on the net.  
Either you feel compelled to suggest you don't have enough 50$/hour clients
to put you into the home of your dreams and decided to tell grad students 
about your abilities (or lack thereof) and the ridiculous charges you pend,
or your out of work altogether and have nothing better to do.  Doesn't
really matter though. I did not mean to offend you, nor even come in contact
with you, and had I known a person such as you overwhelming greatness were
on the net simply to charge me 80$/hour to say "Gee, I don't know. Have you
tried this ?" I would have posted elswhere (and did). 
	The only reason I put it there to being with was because I know large
numbers of windows hackers and the like frequent the location, and was short
on time to be picky.  If you don't feel like helping to solve a problem that
another person may be having simply due to your wallet and your ego, then
you're in the wrong field.  You shouldn't be programming, or charging people to
do whatever you might want to call it, you should be an accountant.  Make a 
damn fine one, I bet. 

	On a lighter note, welcome to the minority.  Of the 163 replies I got
in just over 14 hours, yours was the only one that didn't mean a damn thing.
Well, not quite true.  It did mean there are still programmers (for lack of a
better word) who care more about money than ethics, and let their lack of 
genitals have reverse effects toward their ego. Everyone else was quite 
polite, and, although I didn't ask for it from you or them, quite feeling
toward my problem.  The problem was solved by the combine efforts of many.
Many who wrote one fourth as much as you, and were infinitey more helpfull.
Funny how they didn't ask for a consultation fee for 5 minutes of typing and
a few minutes on the phone.  I wonder why that is ?


	Craig 	(mwizard@eecs.pdx.edu)
	   	(mwizard@jove.cs.pdx.edu)
		(mwizard@serena.cs.pdx.edu)
		(mwizard@janus.cs.pdx.edu)
		(mwizard@spiff.ee.pdx.edu)

	PS. I bet all the clients (all two of them) you are charging 80$/hour
would love to know their work is considered junk.  Far as that goes, I bet
the others would love to know what a GREAT DEAL their getting.