Xref: utzoo comp.windows.x:33712 comp.windows.x.motif:2124 comp.windows.open-look:792 Path: utzoo!news-server.csri.toronto.edu!cs.utexas.edu!asuvax!mcdphx!udc!preece From: preece@urbana.mcd.mot.com (Scott E. Preece) Newsgroups: comp.windows.x,comp.windows.x.motif,comp.windows.open-look Subject: Re: Toolkit for Open Look *and* OSF/Motif Look and Feel Message-ID: Date: 6 Mar 91 15:58:39 GMT References: <1057@attc.UUCP> <1991Feb19.210822.26826@visix.com> <1991Feb20.170617.15372@cs.umn.edu> <1991Feb20.194928.3022@Solbourne.COM> <1991Feb21.184826.11191@alphalpha.com> Sender: news@urbana.mcd.mot.com (news) Distribution: comp Organization: Motorola MCD, Urbana Design Center Lines: 33 In-Reply-To: nazgul@alphalpha.com's message of 21 Feb 91 18:48:26 GMT Nntp-Posting-Host: etude.urbana.mcd.mot.com In article <1991Feb21.184826.11191@alphalpha.com> nazgul@alphalpha.com (Kee Hinckley) writes: | Okay. Presumbably you didn't put any buttons in the menubar, since | you aren't supposed to do that in Motif....[more examples] --- I did think it was amusing, in an ironic kind of way, that after years of hearing (mostly OSF) people say at the P1201 meetings that the differences between Motif and OPEN LOOK were much too significant to allow an easy merger, there was a paper at Uniforum by A DEC guy that concluded "The good correspondence between the OPEN LOOK and OSF/Motif styles and toolkits indicate the general feasibility of applications supporting both GUI's." --- | This stuff about being able to do two GUIs is nonsense. Not because | it isn't possible. Not because it isn't easy. But simply because | WE SHOULDN'T HAVE TO DO IT! It's a waste of time, resources and it | hurts the industry. --- I guess I would take the unpopular side and say that both OL and Motif have profited significantly from the other's competition and that I see no reason to believe that either would have improved as fast as both have if either had been ceded the field a year ago. It's still really depressing that neither GUI has been able to significantly advance the state of the GUI art. It is a sad comment that the highest aspiration of at least one of them is to be fully compatible with the Windows Style Guide -- if we can't provide a *better*, *more productive* GUI than a PC, where is the advantage most of us have felt UNIX should have over the one-seaters? -- scott preece motorola/mcg urbana design center 1101 e. university, urbana, il 61801 uucp: uunet!uiucuxc!udc!preece, arpa: preece@urbana.mcd.mot.com phone: 217-384-8589 fax: 217-384-8550