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From: muffy@remarque.berkeley.edu (Muffy Barkocy)
Newsgroups: soc.feminism
Subject: Re: locker rooms
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Date: 7 Mar 91 20:49:20 GMT
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In-Reply-To: baranski@meridn.enet.dec.com's message of 21 Feb 91 15:50:03 GMT

In article <9101182102.AA24713@easynet.crl.dec.com> baranski@meridn.enet.dec.com writes:
   >From: jdravk@speech2.cs.cmu.edu (Jeanette Dravk)
   >Subject: Re: sexist space

   >>"I don't like women sports writers barging into men's locker rooms."

   >"But doesn't a locker room count as "any group"?"

   I think you're being silly, but...

   It's ok for women to barge into men's locker rooms, IF it's ok for
   men to barge into women's locker rooms.

   fat chance.  this is typical of the sort of ridiculousness feminism
   supports.

Well, now, wait a minute.  I like to follow the news, and I haven't
heard anything about any female sports teams objecting to sports
writers in the locker rooms.  As far as I have heard, there really
isn't even that much *interest* in female teams, on the part of
reporters.  Also note that, while you can show pictures of men with
towels wrapped around their waists in the news, you really can't do
the same for women, so you probably won't get a lot of TV news crews
wanting to go in.

How about citing some cases where there has been a huge outcry against
male sportswriters interviewing female teams in locker rooms?  How
often has it been tried?  Who objected?

   Let's be real for a moment.  Certainly we ought to be able to have
   some personal privacy and modesty?  We ought to be able to pick and
   choose our loved ones and friends, right?

Yes, and who is advocating anything different?  After all, belonging
to a club or other such group doesn't mean that you have to be friends
(or loved ones) with all the members of the group, or even any of
them.

Muffy