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From: mark@infocomm.com
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Subject: Re: New rules for UUPSI
Message-ID: <1991Mar8.123936.6854@infocomm.com>
Date: 8 Mar 91 20:39:36 GMT
References: <1991Mar05.190548.22965@ariel.unm.edu> <1991Mar5.203714.26335@uu.psi.com> <39895@cup.portal.com> <1991Mar08.131558.18654@utoday.com>
Organization: INFO COMM - Computer Consulting, Redwood City, Ca
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In article <1991Mar08.131558.18654@utoday.com>, sean@utoday.com (Sean Fulton) writes:
> ---------v-------v---------v----LETTER FROM PSI---v------v---------v
> 
	stuff deleted

> 	``As this is a fixed price service, no third party traffic
> outside of the organization or its staff is allowed. Specifically, 1:
> no electronic mail whatsoever from another organization should be sent
> or received through UUPSI; 2: if USENET/NEWS is fed to another
> organization, no posting from that third party organization should be
> sent through UUPSI.''

I was under the basic impression that the minimum service you could subscribe
to was a 'mail forwarder' (with out a newsfeed).  To me the definition of this
service is already in conflict with item # 1 in the above quote from their
letter.  This is for a leaf site with no other connections at all.  i.e. you
can ONLY send mail to people at uupsi.

Would anyone be interested in paying for this service?? :-)

Let's assume that they really meant that you were actually allowed to receive
mail to/from the rest of the world with your "organization" as an endpoint.

Given this, we still don't have a clear definition of "organization":

	-  Does it mean the one and only machine that does the calling?  

	Probably not.  

	- Does it mean all machines that you forward to on your local ethernet?

	Maybe.  

	- Does it mean all the machines in your building (or campus) that you 
	  forward stuff for via ethernet or serial uucp means?

	Maybe.

	- Does it mean all the machines at your field locations (i.e. sales 
	  offices, etc), that are part of your company "organization", but use 
	  your central site as their system administration and mail hub?  

	Maybe.

	- Does it mean any machines employees and or consultants may have at
	  other locations (home for instance), which are unofficially part of 
	  your "organization"?

	Maybe.

	- How does anyone (including PSI), distinguish between a site that is
	  truely not a part of your organization and who is?

	Who knows.

Given all of the ambiguities, and the differences in the correct and incorrect
mailer (both MUA, and delivery agents) configurations that exist today, it
doesn't take much to realize that any attempt to enforce this intesting policy
would reduce RELIABLE communications to a purely literal interpretation of item
#1, namely your connection machine could only send and/or receive stuff to/from
the machines at psi.

I'm not flaming anything, just bringing up obvious questions.

-- 
Mark Pizzolato - INFO COMM Computer Consulting, Redwood City, Ca
PHONE:	(415)369-9366	UUCP:  decwrl!infopiz!mark or uunet!lupine!infopiz!mark
DOMAIN:	mark@infocomm.com