Xref: utzoo news.admin:12607 news.misc:6221 comp.mail.uucp:6038 Path: utzoo!news-server.csri.toronto.edu!rutgers!usc!samsung!uunet!mcsun!ukc!axion!micromuse!peter From: peter@micromuse.co.uk (Peter Galbavy) Newsgroups: news.admin,news.misc,comp.mail.uucp Subject: Re: New rules for UUPSI Message-ID: <1991Mar09.090917.1733@micromuse.co.uk> Date: 9 Mar 91 09:09:17 GMT References: <1991Mar06.232416.769@jpradley.jpr.com> Organization: Same Planet, Different World, London Lines: 87 In article mathew@mantis.co.uk (mathew) writes: > >I'd just like to point out that what PSI seem to be trying to do seems to be >no more Evil and Rude than what UKnet does to all of the UK UUCP sites. > Hooray - I just woke up this morning, and saw the 50 messages in this new thread, and thought exactly what Mathew writes in his followup. But I thought I would wait before posting my version, in case there was one here. I was luckily right. Check the .sig, and see that this is from micromuse.co.uk ;-> > >Specifically: > >To become a UK .co.uk UUCP site, you must pay a quarterly fee to UKnet, >amounting to $170/quarter or thereabouts at current exchange rates. > Mathew forgot to mention the obligatory membership of the UKUUG (UK Unix Systems Users Group - about $300/year company). > >If you take any amount of news, you must pay a flat-rate fee of $40/month to >UKnet. Even if you only take one newsgroup. 30 pounds UK. This has not gone down since I know, whilst the cost of getting news is now being shared between more sites. > >This payment entitles one news site to obtain news and reply to it. UKnet >state: > > "The definition of a news-site is a single machine or a group of machines > in a single organisation/institution (sic) on a single site" > > "Every site which polls ukc will be liable for the news and mail charges > for any other site which they poll (or are polled by) unless the > secondary site has registered with ukc." > >This last paragraph has the same practical effect as saying that you can't >distribute news to a site not registered with UKC/UKnet. Wait for it - there have been discussions in the uk.* groups that UKC/UKNet (In my eyes the same - even if they say otherwise) - this includes local site NNTP feeds. Also they reserve the right to order you to disconnect another site if it not registered. It's in the contract. The latest newsletter - paper would you believe - lists a number of sites which has left the UKNet and says something along the lines of "Make sure NO mail goes to these sites and that you must remove them from your maps.". Also for mail, the domain you register is it. You cannot allow subdomains to get to the outside world without making sure you are doing full site hiding. Which I think is allowed :-) Some folks in the US are amazed and to quote one person "... but xxxx.com is MY domain, I can do what I like with it." Not a .uk domain you can't. > >So if you're all going to flame PSI, there are certain other organizations >you might like to have a word with... > > >mathew >[ The worst bit is that when UKnet say "We are the net", they mean it. ] Yep. There is NO choice in the UK. I will explain what I mean if you want. NOTICE to UK people. I know about UKIPNET (good luck guys), but until then, is anyone out there serious about getting together to share the costs of a US link, or anyone in the UK not going via UKC willing to feed us, and others. I am quite willing to pay the UKC (maybe more) rate for the moment to anyone else, as long as I do not have the restrictions imposed on me. Note: This is not a notice of me leaving the UKNet YET. Sadly, restictedly yours, -- Peter Galbavy Writing at Home, but working for Micromuse Ltd, who don't even know I am posting, and probably don't care, so this ain't nothing to do with them... But if you must, call me daytime on +44 71 352 7774. **BEEP**