Path: utzoo!news-server.csri.toronto.edu!cs.utexas.edu!usc!snorkelwacker.mit.edu!mintaka!geech.ai.mit.edu!rjc From: rjc@geech.ai.mit.edu (Ray Cromwell) Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.misc Subject: Re: Amiga vs. Mac Message-ID: <1991Mar12.000645.23467@mintaka.lcs.mit.edu> Date: 12 Mar 91 00:06:45 GMT References: <4209.27db9885@miavx1.acs.muohio.edu> Sender: daemon@mintaka.lcs.mit.edu (Lucifer Maleficius) Followup-To: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy Organization: Organization of United Apple Haters Lines: 87 In article <4209.27db9885@miavx1.acs.muohio.edu> rlcollins@miavx1.acs.muohio.edu (Ryan 'Gozar' Collins) writes: >In article , jimb@amiglynx.UUCP (Jim Bednar) writes: >> The mac classic costs nowhere around the price of a amiga.. A classic lists >> for $999.00 and the Amiga 500 lists for $850.00.. Get your facts straight.. >> And why buy a Classic when an AMIGA can emulate it, hell it can emulate just >> about every computer on the market.. Ok. Lets move on.. How much is a decent >> frame buffer for the Mac? about 4000-5000 bux.. For the Amiga? you have many >> choises like DCTV $400.00 Firecracker24 $1400.00 Toaster $1500.00.. > >Well, it would be nice to have a monitor for your Amiga, which would easily >cast the $150 dollars difference. Plus you get access to a lot of >professional software, more than the Amiga market could dream about. Yea but that $150 monitor would be COLOR, not B&W like the Mac. With the Amiga, you get access to animation and entertainment software. More than the Mac market could either dream about, or even duplicate on its bloated, expensive hardware. >All I hear about is how great the toaster is, but nobody discusses the >price required for a complete set-up, which was discussed in the latest >Byte issue to be around $25,000 including an Amiga. This seems far out of >reach for your home user. What ever gave you the idea that the toaster was for the home user? The Toaster is a high quality professional device. How many people at home run broadcast quality TV studios? You don't need a complete toaster set up to get work done out of the Toaster. LightWave3d renderer is worth the $1500 price alone.(LightWave comes with the Toaster for free). The complete Toaster set-up can be had for a cheaper price when more Amiga products like the Video Blender are released that eliminate the need for a Time Base corrector. Regardless of this, it's still possible to buy high quality video and animation products much cheaper(and better) on the Amiga than the Mac. At this Friday's AmigaEXPO in New york, MAST is going to release ColorBurst. A True 24bit graphics board that runs on all Amiga's and provides Targa quality graphics. The Colorburst can use up to 48bits per pixel for rendering (24bit palette map, 24bits of overlay). It can also do animation in 24bits, comes with 1.5 mb of onboard memory and a custom VLSI co-processor. All this for only $499. HAM-E is a device which provides a 24bit palette, 8 bit color (256 colors simultaneously) or 18bits(262,000 simultaneously) and works on all amigas. HAM-E can animate in real time just like standard AMiga graphics. Price $300 (I think) DCTV is a device which provides NTSC composite images (approx 4 million colors, 65000 or so simultaneously) and a built in digitizer. It can also animate in real-time, and contains hardware NTSC compression. Price $495 All of these IMHO are better than Mac's STATIC 8bit color display. Any Mac TRUE 24-bit(or 48bit) display board that can do animation will cost a fortune. >> FOR ALL YOU PEOPLE THINKING OF BUYING MAC'S GO TO YOUR NEAREST AMIGA DEALER >> AND PICK YOURSELF UP A REAL COMPUTER... >> >> Jim > >Really, for most people, they should figure out what they want to use a >computer for before making any decisions. Really, to a majority of people >who ask me what computer they should buy, I couldn't recommend an Amiga or >Atari over a Mac or IBM clone. I would. Especially if the personal wants to do multimedia, desktop video, use entertainment software, get Unix, get a fast system, or use Mac software. For a small amount of $$$(compared to what you'd pay for the Mac equivelent) they can choose to emulate a Mac, IBM, or Atari ST. > >Any computer with a 680X0 in it is a real computer!! But not all of them are real Amigas. ;-) >------------------------------------------------------------------------------ >Ryan 'Gozar' Collins Question for IBM Users: rlcollins@miavx1.BITNET > |||| Power Without How DO you move/copy a rc1dsanu@miamiu.BITNET > / || \ The Price!! Subdirectory? R.COLLINS1 on GEnie >------------------------------------------------------------------------------ ^^^^^^^^^^^^^ There are some programs on the IBM that deal with the FAT directly and allow subdirectories to be moved. Question: Does the Mac even have directories at all or does it simply fake them on a flat 1 dimensional file system?