Path: utzoo!news-server.csri.toronto.edu!cs.utexas.edu!sdd.hp.com!spool.mu.edu!snorkelwacker.mit.edu!stanford.edu!unix!hplabs!hpl-opus!hpnmdla!darrylo From: darrylo@hpnmdla.hp.com (Darryl Okahata) Newsgroups: comp.sys.handhelds Subject: Re: Re: Smith-Corona 32K RAM cards Message-ID: <1570017@hpnmdla.hp.com> Date: 11 Mar 91 21:30:23 GMT References: <1431@lehi3b15.csee.Lehigh.EDU> Organization: HP Network Measurements Div, Santa Rosa, CA Lines: 99 Here is a reposting of some edited messages concerning RAM cards. This should probably be posted in a FAQ list. It is possible to seriously damage your HP-48SX. -- Darryl Okahata UUCP: {hplabs!, hpcea!, hpfcla!} hpnmd!darrylo Internet: darrylo%hpnmd@relay.hp.com DISCLAIMER: this message is the author's personal opinion and does not constitute the support, opinion or policy of Hewlett-Packard or of the little green men that have been following him all day. =============================================================================== From steveh@hpcvra.CV.HP.COM Fri Mar 1 17:00:00 1991 From: steveh@hpcvra.CV.HP.COM (Steve Harper) Date: Fri, 11 May 1990 16:52:07 GMT Subject: Re: Memory Card: Give Us *True* Facts! (Was Re: HP48SX Memory Card Pricing) Organization: Hewlett-Packard Co., Corvallis, OR, USA Newsgroups: comp.sys.handhelds My previous statement that under certain circumstances the calculator may even be damaged electrically is not a ploy. If the calculator's internal power supply voltage happens to be near the low end of the range, say 4.1 V, and the voltage at which the card's voltage control chip shuts it down happens to be near the high end of its range, say 4.2 V (this can and does occasionally occur for the non-HP48SX cards), then the calculator will start to drive the memory address lines and the card will still have these clamped to ground (that's what it does to protect itself when there is not sufficient system voltage to run). This unfortunate situation may simply trash your memory, or if the calculator tries to drive enough of the lines high at the same time, several hundred milliamps may flow...for awhile that is, until something gives up... On the other hand, your calculator and a particular non-HP48SX card may work just fine if those voltages happen to be at the other end of their ranges. These voltages are also slightly temperature sensitive. It may work in the classroom or office and not at the beach, or vice versa. The voltage trip point of the HP48SX cards has been set lower (a different voltage control chip) so that this cannot occur, regardless of part and temperature variations. One other item was brought to my attention yesterday by Preston Brown that I should have included in my original posting here. While most of us recognize that comparing ram cards to a handful of dynamic ram chips to plug into your PC is apples and oranges, it may be more interesting to compare the HP48SX cards with cards for other products, like the Atari Portfolio, the Poquet, the NEC Ultralite, etc. I believe you will find that the prices on the HP48SX cards are not at all out of line. Steve "I claim all disclaimers..." the non-HP48SX cards =============================================================================== From prestonb@hpcvra.CV.HP.COM Fri Mar 1 17:00:00 1991 From: prestonb@hpcvra.CV.HP.COM (Preston Brown) Date: Thu, 17 May 1990 17:26:53 GMT Subject: Re: Memory Card: Give Us *True* Facts! (Was Re: HP48SX Memory Card Pricing) Organization: Hewlett-Packard Co., Corvallis, OR, USA Newsgroups: comp.sys.handhelds When the RAM cards detect that voltage is to low to operate they clamp the address lines to ground. This clamping is done by turning on the output drivers of a custom chip included on the card. The clamping current is speced at 2mA min at the Vol output level. Since the 48 can be trying to drive the line all the way high even more current is typical. 10mA per fight is not uncommon with totals of several hundred mAs. The VDD power supply is regulated at 4.1 - 4.9 with typical parts at the low end (4.3). The power to the cards is switched thru a transistor, creating up to a 0.1V drop. Standard Epson cards have a significant chance of seeing this voltage as to low and shutting down. We have seen cards do this in the lab. When it occurs the calculator locks up with VDD pulled down to about 2.5V and 250mA being drawn from the batteries. This current drain greatly exceeds the ratings for the power supply and can dammage your calc. The least that will happen is a loss of memory. Now, why didn't we regulate VDD higher? The 48 has two power supplies VDD at 4.3 and VH at 8.5. VH cannot be regulated higher without exceeding the spec for our CMOS IC process. VH is used as the + voltage for the I/O. In order to meet a +3V output level VH must be more then 3.6V above VDD. (VDD is used as I/O ground). Our power supply system increase the battery life and reduces the cost greatly for the wired I/O. Preston And with all disclaimers: