Path: utzoo!utgpu!news-server.csri.toronto.edu!cs.utexas.edu!swrinde!elroy.jpl.nasa.gov!decwrl!olivea!oliveb!bunker!hcap!hnews!203!11!Vixen From: Vixen@f11.n203.z1.fidonet.org (Vixen) Newsgroups: misc.handicap Subject: Re: DEAF AND/OR HEARING IM Message-ID: <18034@bunker.UUCP> Date: 12 Mar 91 05:25:18 GMT Sender: news@bunker.UUCP Reply-To: Vixen@f11.n203.z1.fidonet.org Distribution: misc Organization: FidoNet node 1:203/11 - The Broken Rose BBS, Sacramento CA Lines: 125 Approved: wtm@bunker.UUCP Index Number: 13878 [This is from the Silent Talk Conference] Hi Tim, Well, I certainly have no argument with any of the thoughts you have shared in your message to me. I see no reason why you should not prefer "deaf" over other terminologies, nor do I see any reason why you would feel offended or object to being refered to as deaf. It is aftreall, only one little part of your whole being. It should be understood that while I have a simple "personal preference" for "hearing impaired" over "hard of hearing." It must be made clear, if I have not made it so before, that I do not become angry or upset with people who refer to me as "hard of hearing" or even "deaf." Nor do I lie in bed nights worrying over such trivial matters. (Although, I do enjoy the dialogues we share concerning labeling and terminologies.) While there is "some truth" in the "images" I have previously written about, concerning normally hearing persons and those who are hard of hearing. I painted those portraits rather tongue in cheek and semi-seriously. As I said to Ann, "of course, "I" know that all hard of hearing persons are'nt little grandmothers with ear horns." I do not refer to myself as deaf, because I feel that is inaccurate. First, because I do have some useable hearing using Aids and other amplification devices and therefore "do" hear. Of course, we can discuss to what degree I "hear" but it seems beside the point. Now, if we discuss how I do or do not hear without these appliances, that becomes a different matter. Even so, I can still hear "sounds" without my aids at this point in time. >From a second point, I am not "culturally deaf." It is true that my diminishing hearing runs in the family, but it happens when we are older and so we are all (mostly, not wholly) born hearing and then become deafened later in life. So, despite the heredity factor and because our family members become deafened later, I do not think that "deaf culture" would embrace me as one of "their own." I am absolutely no authority on deaf culture, but I believe I am correct here. So, I do not refer to myself as deaf simply because that may be inaccurate. However, I absolutely "do not" become offended or at all annoyed when others do "align" me with the deaf community or when deaf persons I know "do" consider me part of that community. As, although I can use aids and amplification systems and although I am not "culturally" deaf neither am I totally outside of the deaf community either. However, when normally hearing people call me deaf, it is most often done in a most sarcastic manner. They mean it to be offensive. But when someone may say, "Well, Vixen wears all those wires because she is deaf.", or somethig to that effect, I find no offense at all. When people address me as someone "perceived" to be a part of the deaf community, I take absolutely no offense. In fact, I find that I am often put in a position where I can "educate" a good many times, and help people understand that there are a number of different types of hearing loss or deafness and that we are not all clones. As for hearing impaired versus hard of hearing. In application, either are correct. I just like hearing Impaired better. As to ASL and other Signed Language forms. You might be interested to know that not all schools teach Sign in the form of "Signed English" and other non ASL forms. Some do stick rigidly to proper ASL syntax structure. I know, for such is the way I have been and continue to be taught. The ASL instructors at my college are comprised of both deaf and hearing instructors with the department head being deaf. "All" adhere to the use of proper ASL syntax. We are also educated in matters and issues concerning Deaf culture along with learning the language. I might even go so far as to say that some of our instructors, if not all, are staunchly opposed to other sign forms. Of course, much will also depend upon the ability of the student as well. However, ASL is becoming my "second language." Proper ASL syntax does not always come easily to me, and I expect that once in awhile I might sign a sentence that comes out looking more like signed English that ASL. But that "is not" the way I have been or am now being instructed. Personally, I do not "knock" any method that will allow persons to communicate when they otherwise not be able to do so, even if one is a skilled ASL user and the other uses another form. I am not, at least at this point, an exceptional signer and so I doubt that I would ever master the language as well as some and especially as not as well as those who were born to it. I may always "sign with an accent" but if the way I sign and how fast I sign are more important to a person than "what I am saying" and trying to communicate, then it is likely that person is not worth my emotion for there is no concern for me as a person first and above all. But, you should be aware that there are both hearing and later deafened persons like myself who "are" being taught ASL as a recognized language of its own and in its proper syntax. The rest is simply a matter of how well we are able to master it. By the way, I have seen hearing non impaired signers who are as good or superior in their "proper" use of ASL as those brought up with it. However, that should'nt be surprising, afterall not all hearing people are as profficient in their use, both written and oral, of English. You thought you could write me a long message! Well, Tim, how could I then write you a short one? (Anyway, it is all just a bunch of hot air! Open your window and just let float from your terminal screen into the outdoors!) Keepin' the faith! . Vixen ..."Guide Dogs are Dog Guides but Dog Guides are not always Guide Dogs!" -- Uucp: ..!{decvax,oliveb}!bunker!hcap!hnews!203!11!Vixen Internet: Vixen@f11.n203.z1.fidonet.org