Path: utzoo!news-server.csri.toronto.edu!rutgers!att!cbnews!cbnews!military From: bcstec!shuksan!major@uunet.UU.NET (Mike Schmitt) Newsgroups: sci.military Subject: Re: U.S. Army rank insignia question Message-ID: <1991Mar12.232428.69@cbnews.att.com> Date: 12 Mar 91 23:24:28 GMT References: <1991Mar6.041957.25008@cbnews.att.com> Sender: military@cbnews.att.com (william.b.thacker) Organization: The Boeing Co., MMST, Seattle, Wa. Lines: 32 Approved: military@att.att.com From: bcstec!shuksan!major@uunet.UU.NET (Mike Schmitt) > From: sowa@amdew.llnl.gov (Erik C. Sowa) > > The insignia designating rank on desert-storm battle dress uniforms > seems (from my TV at least) to be all black. How does one distinguish > between major and lieutentant colonel, or between 1st and 2nd > lieutenant (normally distinguished by the colors gold and silver)? This is called 'subdued' color ranks. Subdued LTC is black. Subdued Major is brown. Subdued 1LT is black - subdued 2LT is brown. Kinda hard to tell - salute everybody. In garrison, senior NCOs always request officers wear full-color rank insignia on their soft caps, so the soldier don't get into trouble when they can't tell the rank. Subdued division insignia is also worn. It took a direct order from the Army Chief of Staff to force the 1st Infantry Division to wear a subdued patch - the full color patch is olive drab with a 'big red one'. As one general of the 1st ID said, "we're the big red one - not the big black one". The issue was forced with the introduction of camouflage fatigues. mike schmitt