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Subject: Feedback to the Forth Interest Group
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Date: 15 Mar 91 12:41:48 GMT
Organization: (n.) to be organized.  But that's not important right now.
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 Date: 03-12-91 (20:11)              Number: 1495 of 1495 (Echo)
   To: FRANK SERGEANT                Refer#: 1479
 From: JACK WOEHR                      Read: NO
 Subj: OPEN LETTER TO NEW FIG PR     Status: PUBLIC MESSAGE
 Conf: FORTH (58)                 Read Type: GENERAL (+)

 -> Jax, I
 -> hope in my attempt to present a reasoned, moderate view I  didn't
 -> give the impression that my support for your position is weaker  than
 -> it actually is.

         Not at all, Frank! I didn't want to put words in anybody's
 mouth. You made it clear before that you thought I was a) tactless
 and b) probably correct. So I characterized that while dropping your
 name (with a thud! apologize about the misspelling!) as "qualified
 support."

 -> I believe you and I are in almost complete
 -> agreement.  The exceptions as I see them are (1) whether Fig should
 -> ever consider borrowing money

         Probably not. Actually, I was rather hoping FIG could shake
 down some big corporations for a grant!

 ->  (2) whether Fig had a right to "can" you

         It's borderline, even by their "good old buddy" charter.
 Dennis admitted as much. The Board's attitude is, "you ain't gonna
 sue us and the members don't care, so whatcha gonna do about it?"
 This attitude has been expressed to me by several Board members,
 never characterizing it as their *own* view, mind you, but the
 "view of the Board."

 -> (forgive me)  tactlessness

         Thanks for the euphemism! :-)

 -> I don't,  however, see how that interferes with co-ordinating
 -> chapters.

         It actually helps. The chapters love to see people stick
 pins in national FIG, hoping that some day it will awaken.

 ->  I can also see that, since you are/were a volunteer,
 -> rather than a salaried employee, that you could feel you have the
 -> right to speak the truth as  you see it, regardless of whether it
 -> rubs people the wrong way.

         Yeah, y'd think so, wouldn't ya? :-) More than non-salaried.
 FIG offered to compensate me for phone calls (I called around to many
 chapters) but I never put in for those expenses. I also paid for my
 membership each year, though this year I have applied for the Author
 Recognition program for a free year's membership for published Forth
 authors.

 -> Furthermore, I was
 -> surprised to see your kind offer to accept  re-instatement as chapter
 -> co-ordinator (it was an offer, right?  You're  not just going to say
 -> no if the board re-instates you, are you?).

         Absolutely I would accept. My only reservation would be
 based on my experience that the Board never offers any direction
 whatsover to the Chapter Coordinator. (Except for dismissing me :-) )
 So in lieu of their "absentee leadership" which during my tenure
 forced me to make up my own job and my own rules, I would probably
 request a specific charter (which I would be willing to write myself
 for their approval) and a small but specific budget for expenses.

                                    =jax=

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